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1310: Sub-Mariner #38 (v1)

" Namor Agonistes! "
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Sub-Mariner #38 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Marie Severin
Writers: Roy Thomas
Pencilers: Ross Andru
Inkers: John Severin
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: June 1971
Release Date: March 1971
Story Arc: -
Pages: 20
Cover Price: $0.15
Times Read: 235                 Times Rated: 158
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Namor laments at the loss of his love and begins to reminisce over memories of the past. Upon breaking himself of his reverie, Namor makes a fateful decision.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  The Sub-Mariner
The Sub-Mariner last appeared in Sub-Mariner #37 (v1). The Sub-Mariner next appears in Sub-Mariner #39 (v1).
Supporting Characters
Ikthon last appeared in Sub-Mariner #37 (v1). Ikthon next appears in Saga of the Sub-Mariner #1.
  Lord Vashti
Lord Vashti last appeared in Sub-Mariner #37 (v1). Lord Vashti next appears in Sub-Mariner #56 (v1).
Dorma last appeared in Sub-Mariner #37 (v1). Dorma next appears in Saga of the Sub-Mariner #2.
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Qua-Ron in the mainstream continuity.
Group Appearances
Atlanteans last appeared in Sub-Mariner #37 (v1). Atlanteans next appears in Sub-Mariner #50 (v1).
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  Wady Says:    
  2012-09-25 15:16:29  
  Real great turn of events I like the story so far, looking forward to see how the story continues  

  skalchemist Says:    
  2013-09-30 20:20:44  
  That's about as good as a flashback issue can get.  

  leisch Says:    
  2014-02-01 07:34:03  
  Nice issue. The art is a treat, Severin in one panel, Andru in the next. I'm a fan of both.  

  Robareid Says:    
  2014-03-16 15:54:36  
  Was that a retcon on purpose, or did they just get the story a bit wrong? The guys who destroyed Atlantis weren't the people who held Namor's father, that happened far later while Namor had amnesia.  

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2014-11-25 20:53:26  
  Best flashback issue in the order so far, even though Subby was wallowing in self pity the whole time.  

  specialque Says:    
  2015-01-25 08:46:57  
  This one was really good, especially considering it's a flashback. I like that Marvel gave Namor an issue to grieve and think about his life instead of fighting some random villain immediately after Dorma's death.  

  duncanm Says:    
  2015-02-11 16:03:20  
  Hey, when the woman you love dies because you were too late to save her, you're allowed to wallow in self pity for an issue.
Great flashback though, it's always best when new elements are added to the already known story.
The absolute best thing about this issue though is Namor's admission at the end, that maybe he was the big jerk all along. It's about time he figured that out, and it got him an extra star.

  Locust75 Says:    
  2016-01-26 18:47:55  
  3 stars for Namor walking down memory lane!!!

Winter Palace- @Robareid: On p5,p1-3 it narrates that it was the South Pole Kingdom.

Cameo - It looks like Karthon stuck around...(p20, p5,7)

'Nuff Said - "All right, Mr. Maniac--will you come peacefully--or do I have to let you have it?"-Betty Dean

  Johnny71181 Says:    
  2016-09-04 11:33:26  
  I agree with everyone that this was a great retelling of the origin and COULD be a great turning point in the character. 5 stars. However, what very little modern stuff I've read about Namor, it seems he still puts his pride and Atlantis ahead of helping others, so I question how long this bit of character development will stick. Something I will watch closely, assuming he doesn't revert within the next couple issues.  

  Katryn Says:    
  2017-01-11 20:39:12  
  Namor's knowledge of technology was very odd if he knew what a robot was, but not a gun.
RIP Dorma - even dead, she's one of the best characters, just for being the reason why Namor admits that he's a jerk.

  Russ Says:    
  2017-02-17 05:09:03  
  I liked this one. Sure, it was an origin rehash that didn't cover any new ground for the most part, but Namor realizing in his grief and mourning that he had been the menace all along was a nice touch. Life changing events like this will make a body reflect.

I also liked the tribute to Bill Everett in the credits on the first page; I think Everett might've been in ill health at the time.

4 stars. The abdication was also quite a twist I didn't see coming. It should be interesting to see what new direction this book goes next issue.

  benmason486 Says:    
  2017-10-18 12:56:26  
  An origin story for the enmity between Atlantis and humanity. At last, Namor has accepted his part in the story. Obviously, Namor's decision here will be upheld forevermore, and he will never again assume the throne of Atlantis.

Yes, he is allowed to wallow in self-pity for an issue, but if there is one thing that Marvel comics have shown us, it's that the one issue will stretch out for a year or two (at least).

Well, I guess Dorma is truly dead. R.I.P.

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Date User Name Update
   February 6, 2018 TStarnes
   February 6, 2018 TStarnes
   November 11, 2017 fragsel Added Qua-Ron to the issue.
   May 5, 2015 sewixo Changed comic details.
   November 21, 2013 jfpj1991 Added blurb for this issue.
   September 30, 2013 skalchemist Updated the listing for Dorma.
   September 30, 2013 skalchemist Updated the listing for Lord Vashti.
   September 30, 2013 skalchemist Updated the listing for Ikthon.
   September 30, 2013 skalchemist Updated the listing for The Sub-Mariner.
   September 30, 2013 skalchemist Added Atlanteans to the issue.
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