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2032: Fantastic Four #149 (v1)

" To Love, Honor, and Destroy! "
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Fantastic Four #149 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Len Wein
Cover Artists: Rich Buckler
Writers: Gerry Conway
Pencilers: Rich Buckler
Inkers: Joe Sinnott
Colourists: Petra Scotese (Goldberg)
Letterers: John Costanza
Editors: Roy Thomas
Cover Date: August 1974
Release Date: May 1974
Story Arc: -
Pages: 18
Cover Price: $0.25
Times Read: 240                 Times Rated: 147
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Fantastic Four #147 (v1)
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Fantastic Four #149 (v1)
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Incredible Hulk #174 (v1)
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An attack by Namor forces the Fantastic Four to defend the surface world, and fight against one of their own.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Fantastic last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). Mr. Fantastic next appears in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #2.
Medusa last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). Medusa next appears in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #2.
  The Thing
The Thing last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). The Thing next appears in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #2.
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #2.
Supporting Characters
  The Invisible Girl
The Invisible Girl last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). The Invisible Girl next appears in Avengers #127 (v1).
Thundra last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). Thundra next appears in Fantastic Four #151 (v1).
Triton last appeared in Sub-Mariner #67 (v1). Triton next appears in Incredible Hulk #175 (v1).
  The Sub-Mariner
The Sub-Mariner last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). The Sub-Mariner next appears in Sub-Mariner #72 (v1).
Group Appearances
The Fantastic Four (Roster V)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Fantastic Four #148 (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #2.
Inhumans last appeared in Avengers #118 (v1). Inhumans next appears in Incredible Hulk #175 (v1).
NYPD Riot Control
NYPD Riot Control last appeared in Marvel Team-Up #23 (v1). NYPD Riot Control next appears in Incredible Hulk #173 (v1).
Equipment, Items & Vehicles
Fantasticar MK II
Fantasticar MK II last appeared in Fantastic Four #147 (v1). Fantasticar MK II next appears in Avengers #128 (v1).
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Issue Review
   March 28, 2016
The revelation at the end of this is too far-fetched for me. I'm not buying it. And The Invisible Woman comes across very badly. Hugely disappointed way to end an ongoing storyline, if you ask me. 2/10
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  green_flame_616 Says:    
  2012-07-27 18:36:18  
  That story was, well, fantastic.  

  Duhhaag Says:    
  2013-02-11 16:35:23  
  Didn't see that one coming, great one.  

  Drax Says:    
  2013-08-06 19:24:58  
  Well done Namor, you sure had me fooled!  

  leisch Says:    
  2014-02-24 08:37:01  
  I liked the story and all the shenanigans, but Sue is slipping back into her 60s persona.  

  skalchemist Says:    
  2014-03-11 23:00:55  
  Namor terrifies an entire city, attacks the NYPD, trashes out the docks, and wreaks giant monster mayhem. But that's ok, because it was all for true love.  

  Paste Pot-Pete Says:    
  2014-04-13 20:59:34  
  Tears, tears and more tears for dear Sue here!  

  MartianBat Says:    
  2014-08-10 11:55:46  
  Great ending, truly. It was heartwarming to see how Namor went from one of the FF's greatest foes to doing something so selfless for them in one issue.  

  Neskit Says:    
  2014-08-10 16:33:41  
  Loved the issue, could have done without the Namor cliff notes, lost a star for that, otherwise a fantastic issue.  

  podgejeff Says:    
  2014-08-20 20:17:37  
  Ok, so does that mean Sue is totally cool with helping Namor and the Atlanteans invade the surface because she's heartbroken? And after it's all resolved the rest of New York is going to be cool with it because they're back together? This is all excusable?

Not to mention Reed now has the knowledge that whenever Sue has a problem with him she'll just go running to Namor. She wasn't a participant in the whole thing.

  Xythe Says:    
  2015-01-29 17:22:09  
  And there I was a few issues back thinking they'd forgotten about the Inhumans, but nope, there they are, and their involvement was even lamer than usual. What a dreadful little arc.  

  cotter2 @ podgejeff (original post):    
  2015-03-16 21:26:59  
  I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this, Sue actually went to the arms of another man pretty easily. Even though they are back together, her love for Reed seems really cheapened.  

  scottyjrules Says:    
  2015-04-05 11:32:19  
  This story makes Sue look incredibly unsympathetic and unlikeable. Despite what Reed to did to their child, she was the one who walked out on him, refused to talk to him for months, and served him divorce papers while shacking up with another man. Not to mention she consents to invading the surface world with Namor (and if you read between the lines, she's pretty cool with the idea of Namor killing Reed for most of this issue...she only seems to take offense at Namor attacking Johnny and Thing). What Reed did to Franklin was misguided but at least motivated by a need to save his child. Sue was just plain selfish and downright vindictive.

Also, what is the point of Thundra hanging around the last few issues?

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2015-05-11 12:56:08  
  Well, I'll be a son of a biscuit. I guess I should rescind my comments in the previous issues? Sometimes, you just need to know when to admit you were wrong and say you're sorry...  

  duncanm Says:    
  2015-09-14 00:10:11  
  I'm conflicted on how I feel about this, on the one hand the twist was masterfully done and shone a whole new light on the past few issues. On the other hand, I think it's going to be a long time before I'm going to be able to like Sue again. Seriously, *&^$ Sue!
I understand what you all are saying about attacking the police and destroying a pier, but in New York in the Marvel Universe that's just called Wednesday, and if Namor didn't do it someone else would have.

  bharbeke Says:    
  2015-12-13 00:00:14  
  I like what happened at the end, but this is still a dumb issue.  

  jwerth Says:    
  2015-12-21 21:42:05  
  This is just a dreadful way to write Sue's character, it makes her seem practically evil. I've often thought Reed was Marvel's most villainous hero for his cruelty to his family, but Sue gives him a run for his money.
Also, when did Reed admit he was wrong? I must have missed that.

  Magik_Rune Says:    
  2016-05-03 18:05:38  
  No. No, no, no, NO.

(That being said, I can't wait to read the first issue of "Namor, the avenging marriage counselor"!)

  Namtrahj Says:    
  2016-05-22 09:45:49  
  This was pretty fun as long as you don't think about it too much.  

  sbcolt15 Says:    
  2017-02-06 23:48:13  
  Ridiculous. 1 star. Reed and Sue both suck at life. Maybe this is why it's seemingly impossible to make a good FF movie.  

  aliensummer Says:    
  2017-07-14 15:45:27  
  So, I avoided commenting on any of the previous issues where Sue declared her love for Namor because I wanted to see how it played out first. Was she lying to protect the FF from Namor or something else? Were they both brainwashed? Where the heck is Tamara?

But I got to this issue and the big reveal was actually just awful. This is straight up character assassination of Sue. I've always liked Sue, felt she had plenty of reasons to be resentful of the way Reed treated her, and I wanted her back on the team (even though I really like Medusa). Or I at least wanted to see more of her in the book. I wanted to see her side of things. But now, I'm basically just going to have to ignore everything that happened in this issue in order to be ok with her being back.

Also, throughout this issue whenever someone would bring up how they were fighting to get Sue back, I just wanted someone, anyone to say, "Forget Sue! We're fighting to protect our planet, you lunatics!"

  dadoodoflow Says:    
  2017-08-26 07:12:31  
  If I was reading this in its original form I would have thrown it at a wall. Since I'm on a tablet all I can do is scream internally and impotently.

That was the worst.

  Russ Says:    
  2017-10-27 18:07:08  
  Okayokayokay....waitacottinpickinminnit here! Six to eight million people in New York just had the crap scared out of them, and a respected if angsty middle-aged superhero was nearly driven to mental insanity just because some woman was pissed at her husband. Mental note: guys should never get married on Marvel-Earth, especially if they have powers. At least, I know in my case, if I had an ex-girlfriend coming after me with some hot-headed bruiser, I wouldn't be thinking reconciliation, I'd be thinking restraining order or fleeing the country.

I suppose the ends justified the means. Namor got the end-result and everyone's happy. Somehow, this wasn't particularly satisfying. @aliensummer, @scottyjrules and @jwerth are all correct; Sue's character took a massive hit here and she comes across as self-indulgent, self-centered, and uncaring. What if the invasion had cost civilian lives? That was cold of her. (Though none of that excuses what Reed did to her in the past, and what he did to his son, although that was pretty difficult in and of itself)

2 stars. At least the battle itself was pretty fun. But the whole arc, although set up pretty well in issue #147, now stands as a wasted opportunity. I prefer Reed and Sue together, of course, but what if they'd divorced? Maybe these three words: Ultimate Reed Richards?

  ronano Says:    
  2017-11-15 03:16:36  
  It's all been said already but I still feel the need to weigh in.

Up until the last two pages I was really enjoying this. The battle was really high stakes and there was real emotion involved, and a high degree of mystery; Why is Namor acting crazy? Has Sue been brainwashed? What does Medusa see that the rest of them don't? There was a point I was thinking that this was getting a 4 star rating.

Then the twist...

What a complete and utter shambles. I had bought into the Sue-leaving storyline, it had it's roots in years of chauvinism and a new perspective from Sue and it all worked for me. This doesn't. As said, it guts Sue's character. I could buy her swanning off with Namor on the rebound (if done well), but standing by while he declared war on the surface world and actually helping him fight her brother and friends? No way. The reconciliation is lame because it's so sudden and forced and if they all walked out on Reed for the ray-gun, why are they willing to accept Sue after she knowingly helped an invasion of New York?

The plot by Namor and the Inhumans was weak as well. So, if Reed and Sue don't just snap out of it, he just calls off his monsters and heads for home?

2 stars.

  Katryn Says:    
  2017-12-18 06:38:28  
  Wait, Reed's fighting for Sue, so that means he actually loves her? Oh, well that makes the years of general neglect and lack of respect totally OK! I mean, it's all really Sue's fault for having this fairy tale notion that love meant mutual respect and working together on, you know, life.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending her whole being OK with attacking New York to get back at Reed, but REALLY?!?!?! I have hated how this whole arc was handled, and THIS is how they resolve it?!?!?! I don't have words that won't be bleeped out to describe how I'm feeling about this right now. All I can say is I'm glad it was all a ploy, Namor can do so much better.

  Allencthulhu Says:    
  2018-01-03 10:47:29  
  This sort of thing happens everyday. We just don't realize it because superheroics aren't involved. Two people in love can cause each other a great deal of pain and that pain can extend to their friends and family.

I wondered a bit about Namor. The fact that he was pushing the jerk button as hard as he could was a tell-tale that we missed because Conway wasn't a good enough writer to give us a clue about it.

In the end it all works out. Shakespearean perhaps, but still good.

Not great.

Three stars.

  edgar987 Says:    
  2018-01-15 17:29:38  
  I canít believe the ff are getting consistent 2s. How the mighty have fallen! Awful.  

  mrdollar11 Says:    
  2018-02-04 12:49:44  
  Weak story, but dammit if iím not a sucker for sweet happy endings, especially the part about Namor overcoming liking Sue and instead of taking advantage, using it to get his friends back together and ahhhhh. Not a great story, but I love the idea and itís too sweet not to give a top rank  

  CrazyforRAMU Says:    
  2018-02-23 17:18:10  
  I was so, so certain - thanks to the foreshadowing about Reed and Namor being unprecedentedly hateful - that the big twist was gonna be the arrival of Psycho-Man or the Hate-Monger or some other emotion-manipulating villain. Needless to say, I would have preferred that by a mile to the resolution we actually got.  

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