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10170: Fantastic Four #33 (v1)

" Side-By-Side with Sub-Mariner! "
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Fantastic Four #33 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Jack Kirby
Writers: Stan Lee
Pencilers: Jack Kirby
Inkers: Chic Stone
Letterers: Artie Simek
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: December 1964
Release Date: October 1964
Story Arc: -
Pages: 20
Cover Price: $0.12
Times Read: 951                 Times Rated: 534
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Issue Blurb
The Fantastic Four and Namor must team up to defend Atlantis.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Fantastic Four #32 (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Strange Tales #128a (v1).
  The Invisible Girl
The Invisible Girl last appeared in Fantastic Four #32 (v1). The Invisible Girl next appears in Fantastic Four #34 (v1).
  Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Fantastic last appeared in Fantastic Four #32 (v1). Mr. Fantastic next appears in Fantastic Four #34 (v1).
  The Thing
The Thing last appeared in Fantastic Four #32 (v1). The Thing next appears in Strange Tales #128a (v1).
Supporting Characters
  The Sub-Mariner
The Sub-Mariner last appeared in Journey into Mystery #112a (v1). The Sub-Mariner next appears in Avengers #16 (v1).
Dorma last appeared in Fantastic Four Annual #1a. Dorma next appears in Daredevil #7 (v1).
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Attuma in the expanded continuity. Attuma next appears in Tales to Astonish #64a (v1).
Group Appearances
Atlanteans last appeared in X-Men #6 (v1). Atlanteans next appears in Tales to Astonish #64a (v1).
The Fantastic Four (Roster I)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Fantastic Four #32 (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Strange Tales #128a (v1).
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Issue Synopsis
Reed Richards, along with the rest of the Fantastic Four, has been given a strange aquatic creature to examine. Realizing that the sea monster is from a different world, Reed suspects that the Sub-Mariner may be involved. He sends the Human Torch to the ocean to see if he can find anything. Sure enough, Johnny Storm sees Lady Dorma, Sub-Mariner's princess, emerging from the water. He brings her back to the Fantastic Four.

Dorma explains that the Sub-Mariner was once again ruler of Atlantis. But a fierce warrior, Attuma, has stood up against him and declared war on his kingdom. The Sub-Mariner was able to hold him off for some time, but Dorma betrayed him, jealous that he could not return her love. She regrets her decision and seeks the Fantastic Four's help in saving the Sub-Mariner, and the kingdom of Atlantis.

With a little nudge from Sue Storm, the team agrees. Reed sprays them all with a special chemical allowing them to breathe underwater, and they set off. As the Fantastic Four gets closer to Atlantis, Attuma's forces spot their boat and attack them. They are able to escape, and the Thing uses his strength to capture an enemy tank so they can approach unseen. As they get closer, the Fantastic Four clashes with a few of Attuma's army, but move past them quickly and to the center of battle.

Meanwhile, the Sub-Mariner fiercely fights off Attuma, using every power of at his disposal to hold him off. But Attuma is too powerful, and has direct access to Atlantis thanks to a hole that Dorm let them in through. Knowing that it is the only way to save his people, the Sub-Mariner challenges Attuma to one-on-one combat to settle the conflict.

The Invisible Girl sneaks ahead, hoping to find out what is happening. She spots a few of Attuma's guards setting up a gun to shoot at Sub-Mariner, so Attuma can cheat his way to victory. She is able to stop the gun before anyone can notice. Reed suggests that the rest of the team split up to find any other traps. One by one, they stop Attuma's traps until it is just the Sub-Mariner and Attuma left. But as they do, the Oxo-Spray that allows them to breathe underwater wears off.

Though unarmed, the Sub-Mariner is still able to hold off Attuma. The Invisible Girl observes the fight, and when she sees that Attuma is about to use a secret weapon, she makes Namor invisible without him knowing it. But her last exertion was too much, and Reed and the rest of the Fantastic Four are forced back to the surface.

The Sub-Mariner is able to take care of Attuma, and ultimately forgives Lady Dorma, never knowing that it was the Fantastic Four that helped him all along.
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  Redsvetz Says:    
  2011-10-17 00:00:00  
  Sub-Mariner again? Ugh! I do like the photo-realistic cover, although Attuma looks like Donny Darko.  

  fragsel Says:    
  2011-11-26 09:23:51  
  I used to hate Namor. Before The Order his stories didn't make sense to me: he's alone, he's not alone, he's alone, he's not alone. He's bad. He's good. He's bad. He's good. Really confusing. I never new what to expect next. But now I can say it all makes sense. Me like it!!!!  

  TStarnes Says:    
  2011-11-26 09:44:01  
  I don't know. He still changes his mind on peace vs. war way to much.  

  Webslinger Says:    
  2012-07-02 01:19:52  
  I didn't understand him also, now I feel I'm starting to get him, but wanna see more.
Man you gotta see the acclamation that lunar photo on the lest panel of pg 11 of F4 29 got on the letters, so we can see why they used it here again.

  Safis Says:    
  2012-07-29 22:08:24  
  "Unleash the globules of darkness!"

Loved this issue. Very intriguing how Namor never even knew the F.F. were involved. Great story and pacing; I felt a little like I was right there in the action (with a little imagination, of course!).

I had to laugh out loud.. for a while.. about Reed's "camouflage" though! So ridiculous! :)

  specialque Says:    
  2012-10-04 14:51:40  
  Reading the order has changed how I viewed a lot of characters, in particular Namor, like some of the other folks here. I like him and his background a lot more at this point. The cover was kind of a cheat, since I expected them to fight side-by-side, but it was still great stuff. I love how the Fantastic Four goes into both outer space and the deep sea. Nice.  

  chrisWhite Says:    
  2013-01-17 19:48:07  
  I don't even know where to start with all the things wrong with this issue; luckily, it's balanced by some good action and great pacing. I think three stars is the way to go this issue.  

  leisch Says:    
  2013-08-02 15:06:48  
  I always loved Attuma, what a badass. This seems like a pilot episode for the Sub-Mariner series that would debut in TtA soon.  

  arsenal009 Says:    
  2013-08-12 21:09:17  
  I loved the artwork on page 8. Kirby is a true genius.  

  Johnny71181 Says:    
  2013-08-18 22:48:21  
  Dorma tells the FF that they must stop Atuma or he will eventually attack the surface world. Isn't that Namor's plan as well? Doesn't he still want to kill humans for the loss of Atlantis, or did that go away when he found his people?  

  Ben Reilly Says:    
  2013-09-18 11:28:51  
  A Namor story I didn't hate. Things are picking up on the FF front for me. If only Ant Man could do the same.  

  dpaone Says:    
  2013-10-22 21:44:34  
  pretty good issue except for the breath underwater spray and Johnny can flame on underwater due to extra oxygen???  

  Durango55 Says:    
  2014-01-04 18:22:10  
  Overall I liked it despite some of it's silliness.

4 stars
- More of the groundbraking Kirby photo collage artwork. GROOVY!
- I liked seeing the introduction of political strife within the Atlanteans
- That goody looking sea creature on the first page always amused me.

- Typical sketchy science (Oxygen spray? Really?)
- Dorma gets off the hook waaaay to easily. I'd expect Namor to be enraged for betrayal of that scale. How many Atlanteans died due to her actions?
- No U-Car!!! Bring back the U-Car!

  marvelcomicslover Says:    
  2014-05-04 18:56:08  
OK, Reed making a “4” with his arm was corny...but I liked it...especially the fact that Ben pointed out how corny it was.
HAH...Reed changed to a giant sting ray...This is good stuff.
Nice twist in how the FF helped Namor.
Lady Dorma ain't talking because of his pride...This was pretty good.

  Locust75 Says:    
  2014-05-25 22:53:18  
  4 stars for the 1st app of Attuma! "It is not Attuma!" For any Kindergarten Cop fans!

Cover Me - Great blend of pencil and photo art!

Splash - @Durango55: I agree, that is one goofy sea creature! I also liked Thing's Yancy St. jab!

Flame Off - I pretty sure Johnny burned Lady Dora's wrists!

Damn The Torpedos - Cool image of Namor throwing the torpedos back at the enemy!

Silly Putty - @Safis: Manta-Reed is pure awesomeness!!!

Horde - For a bunch of barbarians; they sure have some pretty advanced weapons!

In The Heat Of the Battle - I guess both sides forgot about being able to swim! Great for going over Great Divides, and getting away from Globules of Darkness.

Pinup - They forgot one title for Namor. "Collector of Salt & Pepper Shakers"!

Plot Device - If only the FF took the Oxo-Spray in the Bathysphere to give them more time...

'Nuff Said - "Bah! Witless female!! What do vows mean to the mighty Attuma??!!"-Attuma

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2014-07-28 19:43:22  
  I'm a little disappointed with this issue. I was expecting more and a possible alliance with Namor. 3 stars.  

  Bramwell Says:    
  2014-08-02 13:25:32  
  1. Good splash page. The sea creature looks fantastic
2. I like how they are trying to draw Johnny in mid-change to flame on
3. I always love the way Kirby draws Atlantis
4. Good use of Sues force field for offensive purposes

  MattzLadd Says:    
  2014-08-18 18:34:39  
  Check out this Oxo-spray, it will allow us to breath underwater for HOURS!

*one minute after applying* How long will the spray let us breath from now?
About another HALF HOUR.

Get your facts right, Reed. Nobody likes exaggerations.

  GroovyGolem Says:    
  2014-10-10 16:25:24  
  Great issue. I was a little disappointed the the FF's assistance went unbeknownst to Namor. Seemed a bit of a cheap plot device. But the action was good, I enjoyed seeing Dorma have a big role, and I liked the undersea artwork. And is that a Sentinel on the right-hand side of PG6P1?  

  Psychopat Says:    
  2014-11-14 11:03:32  
  I really love Namor and all the Atlantis mythology behind him, Attuma just makes it more awesome!  

  Tarquinnff3 Says:    
  2015-01-13 08:58:06  
  No, anything but an explo-grenade. What ever will we do against this grenade with the one-of-a-kind ability to... explode! Still a nice little romp of an issue.  

  storyeater Says:    
  2015-01-18 17:17:15  
  @Durango55 I found the fact that Dorma didn't get punished really telling of Namor's character,really.He feels like he did great damage to his people by his love,so he understandsanother for doing the same,and he feelslike,sincehe isn't punished for it,why should another?This few lines,despite the fact that they let Dorma get off the hook easily,really show both Namor's feeling as a man and his fairness as a king.  

  skabeaters Says:    
  2015-04-08 17:30:31  
  I was hoping to see them fight side-by-side... maybe one day.  

  knoke5 Says:    
  2015-08-13 01:15:51  
  Sue was impressive this issue. More violence than usual for the Fantastic Four, though.  

  Carlo Says:    
  2016-01-19 16:56:46  
  Namor is actually one of my favorite characters. Bill Everett was a genius. I find it amazing that they came out with such a complex anti-hero all the way back in 1939, and made him the central figure of a comic book. Namor is a hero. But he's Atlantis's hero, not our hero. If our interests coincide, he'll help. If not, well...

I enjoyed this one immensely.

  Urgat @ GroovyGolem (original post):    
  2016-05-30 05:41:22  
  Your disappointment over keeping the secret of the intervention by the FF to help/save Namor's ass, is what makes me give this issue 4* and not only 3! I think it was a nice plot device and makes me wonder if they will use it in the future to open ignorant Sub-Mariner's eyes ...that he is not all powerful...but I think he wouldn't believe anybody  

  Russ Says:    
  2016-08-09 20:36:31  
  With oxo-spray, who needs swimming lessons?  

  RobinHoodMtl Says:    
  2016-08-14 15:00:33  
  • That's my line – "Hey, Stretch… Quite stealin' my lines!" (The Thing) – God, I love him!

  • How strange that Lady Dorma would turn to the Fantastic Four for help! After betraying Namor to Attuma, she pushes the humiliation a little further by asking his sworn enemies for some assistance? The nerve!

  • Of course, Mr Instant-Solution would already have a spray handy for the occasion!

  • At least, this could give Reed the occasion to repair the screw-up Ben and Johnny did in their solo story.

  • Amusing and clever move from Mr. Fantastic to sneak them all in disguised as a manta-ray!

  • And that force field around Attuma’s machine was also very effective. Great job, Sue!

  • I’m surprised that Stan did not forget about the bends!

  • It is unfortunate, but I knew that in the end, the Fantastic Four's intervention would not be revealed. It was quite noble, both from them and from Dorma to spare Namor's pride. Also, the complex cover-up was brilliantly handled by the writers.

  • THAT is a story I was looking forward to and it was not disappointing. Great and solid premise, wonderful artwork. Underwater battle scenes were just awesome! 5 stars again!

  Hovis Says:    
  2017-01-10 22:03:30  
  A couple of Huhs???

Catapult under the sea...tossing boulders as if on the surface..Huh?

I figured the "weak" woman would start suffocating before the teenager, right Stan? Wink,Wink

I didn't know the deepest part of the ocean was also in shallow water...Huh?

  gonzo Says:    
  2017-01-26 23:01:16  
  This was in the Fantastic Four series, sure, but Namor was the star of this one. Such a great, complex, layered character... who's also capable of kicking some would-be Atlantean invader butt!

4 stars

  Calion @ MattzLadd (original post):    
  2017-05-11 12:27:21  
  They applied it before leaving the Baxter Building. For some insane reason.  

  Shioxus Says:    
  2017-05-15 23:11:33  
  I'm looking through my read comics because I apparently missed rating one of them, and I just had to say that Attuma's costume is horrid. He just appeared in an Avengers issue where I'm at a couple hundred issues ahead, and I swear I thought his picture on the cover was of the Jester. That lame headpiece needs to go...  

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Essential Fantastic Four, Volume 2
This collection includes Fantastic Four #21 (v1), Fantastic Four #23 (v1), Fantastic Four #22 (v1), Fantastic Four #24 (v1), Fantastic Four #25 (v1), Fantastic Four #26 (v1), Fantastic Four #27 (v1), Fantastic Four #28 (v1), Fantastic Four #29 (v1), Fantastic Four #30 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #2a, Fantastic Four #31 (v1), Fantastic Four #32 (v1), Fantastic Four #33 (v1), Fantastic Four #34 (v1), Fantastic Four #35 (v1), Fantastic Four #36 (v1), Fantastic Four #37 (v1), Fantastic Four #38 (v1), Fantastic Four #39 (v1), Fantastic Four #40 (v1)
Fantastic Four Omnibus, Volume 2
This collection includes Fantastic Four #31 (v1), Fantastic Four #33 (v1), Fantastic Four #34 (v1), Fantastic Four #35 (v1), Fantastic Four #36 (v1), Fantastic Four #37 (v1), Fantastic Four #38 (v1), Fantastic Four #39 (v1), Fantastic Four #40 (v1), Fantastic Four #41 (v1), Fantastic Four #42 (v1), Fantastic Four #43 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #3, Fantastic Four #44 (v1), Fantastic Four #45 (v1), Fantastic Four #46 (v1), Fantastic Four #47 (v1), Fantastic Four #48 (v1), Fantastic Four #49 (v1), Fantastic Four #50 (v1), Fantastic Four #51 (v1), Fantastic Four #52 (v1), Fantastic Four #53 (v1), Fantastic Four #54 (v1), Fantastic Four #55 (v1), Fantastic Four #56 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #4, Fantastic Four #57 (v1), Fantastic Four #58 (v1), Fantastic Four #59 (v1), Fantastic Four #60 (v1)
Marvel Masterworks: Fantastic Four, Volume 4
This collection includes Fantastic Four Annual #2a, Fantastic Four #31 (v1), Fantastic Four #32 (v1), Fantastic Four #33 (v1), Fantastic Four #34 (v1), Fantastic Four #35 (v1), Fantastic Four #36 (v1), Fantastic Four #37 (v1), Fantastic Four #38 (v1), Fantastic Four #39 (v1), Fantastic Four #40 (v1)
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