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46: Fantastic Four #12 (v1)

" The Incredible Hulk "
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Fantastic Four #12 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Jack Kirby, Dick Ayers
Writers: Stan Lee
Pencilers: Jack Kirby
Inkers: Dick Ayers
Colourists: Stan Goldberg
Letterers: Artie Simek
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: March 1963
Release Date: December 1962
Story Arc: -
Pages: 23
Cover Price: $0.12
Times Read: 1,589                 Times Rated: 805
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Strange Tales #106 (v1)
Strange Tales #107 (v1)
Fantastic Four #12 (v1)
Journey into Mystery #90 (v1)
Incredible Hulk #6 (v1)
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#106 (v1)
45: Strange Tales
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#90 (v1)
48: Incredible Hu...
#6 (v1)
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Issue Blurb
General Ross hires the Fantastic Four to defeat the Hulk, who he believes to be sabotaging Project 34. Can Banner convince them that it wasn't the Hulk but by a man called the Wrecker!
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Fantastic last appeared in Strange Tales #107 (v1). Mr. Fantastic next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #1b (v1).
  The Invisible Girl
The Invisible Girl last appeared in Strange Tales #107 (v1). The Invisible Girl next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #1b (v1).
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Strange Tales #107 (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #1b (v1).
  The Thing
The Thing last appeared in Strange Tales #107 (v1). The Thing next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #1b (v1).
Supporting Characters
  Alicia Masters
Alicia Masters last appeared in Fantastic Four #10 (v1). Alicia Masters next appears in Fantastic Four #14 (v1).
  Thunderbolt Ross
Thunderbolt Ross last appeared in Incredible Hulk #5b (v1). Thunderbolt Ross next appears in Incredible Hulk #6 (v1).
  Rick Jones
Rick Jones last appeared in Incredible Hulk #5b (v1). Rick Jones next appears in Incredible Hulk #6 (v1).
  The Hulk
The Hulk last appeared in Incredible Hulk #5b (v1). The Hulk next appears in Incredible Hulk #6 (v1).
  Captain Nelson
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Captain Nelson in the mainstream continuity.
  Wrecker (Karl Kort)
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Wrecker (Karl Kort) in the mainstream continuity.
Group Appearances
The Fantastic Four (Roster I)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Strange Tales #107 (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #1b (v1).
United States Military
United States Military last appeared in Fantastic Four #11b (v1). United States Military next appears in Incredible Hulk #6 (v1).
Equipment, Items & Vehicles
Fantasticar MK II
Fantasticar MK II next appears in Fantastic Four #14 (v1).
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Issue Notes
  • The story is split into 4 chapters:
    • The Incredible Hulk
    • Mission: Stop The Hulk!
    • Who is the Wrecker?
    • The Hulk at Last!
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Issue Review
   January 11, 2018
Flawed or not, this is still a classic and a hugely enjoyable read.

It’s the first meeting between the Hulk and the Thing. And their first fight.

The Hulk doesn’t appear until page 16, and their fight is really only a few panels on pages 18 and 20, but there’s a lot of story here.

The FF are called in to stop the Hulk after some sabotage. One of the people working with them - a Doctor Banner - firmly believes that the creature is innocent.

Right from the start it’s pretty obvious who the real villain will turn out to be. And their eventual unveiling is nothing short of (unintentionally) hilarious.

But flaws aside, this is a fun read. The FF come across as an interesting, colorful bunch of heroes (if a big juvenile) and the Hulk is clearly a formidable individual in his own right.

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  fragsel Says:    
  2011-11-06 13:02:45  
  Seriously? MEMBERSHIP CARD IN A SUBVERSIVE COMMUNIST-FRONT ORGANIZATION? In a wallet? Are you f*@!%?& kidding me !!!!???!!!!  

  thomassp74 Says:    
  2011-11-19 17:30:24  
  They wonder why Sue's the least popular character, but film footage of the Hulk scares her so much that she loses control of her powers? Holy sexism Batman. For example:

Ross: "A pretty young lady can always be of help--just by keeping the men's morale up!"
Reed: "That's just the way we feel about sue, General!"

Why did General Ross suddenly change uniform color?

Seems out of character for Reed to be competing with Johnny and Ben about who has the best superpower.

I'm just about sick of the whole "a number of our fans throughout the country had written to us to say..,." bit.

"A voice from nowhere! The place is haunted!" That's a new one.

Torch can heat up the ocean by putting flames close to the water, but he can douse his hand and shake hands with Rick without burning him?

The Hulk can become a living tornado?

I'm starting to really dislike the FF. At least the guys. They're the most conceited bunch of super heroes I've ever seen. haha

  thomassp74 Says:    
  2011-11-19 17:32:08  
  Plus two stars for Hulk appearance, but minus two for having to witness them showing off for Ross like a bunch of toddlers and for more of that BS about their readers writing letters.  

  Safis Says:    
  2012-01-31 21:19:12  
  This issue has it all! The first major crossover, the Hulk vs. The Fantastic Four (and specifically, the Hulk vs. the Thing), a brand new (and far better-looking) Fantasticar, hilarious old-fashioned sexism, communists, robots, wacky 60's science fiction, great writing and even better art... I could go on!  

  Webslinger Says:    
  2012-03-29 23:19:25  
  A very humorous issue, but even Reed posing in for General Ross was somewhat corny, lost one star for that, anyway, the F4 keep the good pace, and the letters page is as always pretty fun to read!  

  Jukebox_Hero Says:    
  2012-05-11 02:29:29  
  A membership card for Communist Sabotagers Anonymous. WOW.  

  darkdragonne Says:    
  2012-05-28 17:28:25  
  Now wasn't this a sexist issue?

But besides that, was I the only one who found it weird that they didn't know the Hulk's real identity? In a previous issue the FF were reading a Hulk comic...

  pik.asso Says:    
  2012-06-10 03:21:54  
  Wow, seeing this brandnew Fantasticar, the old one really looks crappy! I like the new design. And: Hulk and Thing really fit together. They could be brothers!  

  Dark_Knight93 Says:    
  2012-06-28 21:41:57  
  Well there's certainly a few gripes to be had over this issue. First of all, Reed is way out of character by showing off with Torch and Thing. Second, Susan Storm is still worthless and that's made all the more obvious with the blatant sexism in this issue. Other than that, this was a good issue.  

  olgamon Says:    
  2012-07-16 13:09:57  
  All of the above plus more. I don't think I'm a fan of the FF :/  

  Ice Says:    
  2012-07-20 12:36:19  
  And, here's the reason we all read Marvel comics, and the reason The Order is even a thing! It's the first big crossover in what will become a huge, shared universe story.

I won't say this issue's story is some amazing classic. But, I will say that this is the first time in the order where I've actually been excited to read what happens next. I wanted to see The Hulk and Thing duke it out!

I gave it an extra couple stars for all that. And, I let the obvious villain with a communist membership card bit slide. (Though, I will say, every time Banner talked about "the wrecker", I was hoping he'd be a big bruiser with a crow bar.)

  specialque Says:    
  2012-09-12 21:25:46  
  I'm starting to get really tired of the Thing flipping out and destroying crap for no reason.  

  Phantasmagoria Says:    
  2012-10-23 10:18:22  
  I quite enjoy this issue. Johnny's showing off for Rick and the better designed Fantasticar are the high points of this issue for me, aside from the obvious entertainment value of the very first Hulk vs. Thing bout.  

  Spider-Borg Says:    
  2012-11-17 08:42:16  
  Finally a story in which I was excited to see the outcome!  

  gonzo Says:    
  2012-12-09 17:43:48  
  I carry all the membership cards to all my subversive terrorist organizations in my wallet. Don't you?  

  edgar987 Says:    
  2012-12-22 12:58:14  
  Loved this one just for Jack Kirby story telling what an amazing comic book artist.Fun stuff even with all the corn mentioned above.  

  minicheddaz Says:    
  2013-03-03 17:04:21  
  i really hated: 1 the thing losing his cool far too easily, 2 the way sue gets frightened and turns invisible at the sight of FOOTAGE of the hulk, 3 the way ben, torch and reed act like schoolboys showing off in front of ross, 4 the sexism displayed here towards sue, 5 reed going on about readers letters again, 6 the communist front membership card!

things i liked: the new fantasticar and the brief fight between the hulk and the thing.

this issue promised so much but i was really disappointed with it on the whole.

  Blinkyscores Says:    
  2013-04-15 05:24:50  
  we apologize Thing, you see the only way to recognize the Hulk is by his super human strength. Oh, by the way, here is a photo of him. huh.  

  skabeaters Says:    
  2013-05-09 16:06:36  
  Hulk vs. Thing? I had to give it four stars. Can't wait to see round 2.  

  leisch Says:    
  2013-07-19 17:24:15  
  First crossover, first Hulk-Thing battle (though short) and a genuine card-carrying Communist. That's gotta be a four star story. Sue's met several very strange looking aliens and Hulk looks more human than the Thing, what's with the fainting bit?  

  marvelcomicslover Says:    
  2013-09-07 23:01:28  
  I loved seeing FF go against the Hulk. I also liked the interaction at the end with Reed and Bruce. Decent art.  

  Fly Says:    
  2013-09-17 18:45:10  
  I don't like the FF too much... But I enjoyed this issue :P  

  Anonymous Says:    
  2013-09-18 11:35:31  
  damn the anti-communism of this period is insane.

how about that issue of hulk where the alien comes down to challenge hulk to an epic battle between titans and hulk shows up and... "sike, i'm a commie wit a gun"

  Tarquinnff3 Says:    
  2013-10-02 17:41:46  
  This was a good issue. I knew who the bad guy was the second they introduced him, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I was hoping for a little more from the fight between the two behemoths, but I'm sure they'll meet again.  

  Locust75 Says:    
  2014-01-04 22:28:31  
  4 star for the 1st brawl between the Hulk & the Thing!

Cover Me - A Very cool cover, but why does the Hulk have 3 fingers & toes? Kirby drew this issue, and drew the Hulk issues where he had 5 fingers & toes!

Rent - With a tenant like Ben, I can see why the other floors of the Baxter are empty.

Flame On - Johnny finally does something right. The new Fantasti-Car is a sweet ride!

Flame Off - Yet another flame power for Johnny. The magic flaming lasso that can pick up things, and not burn them!

Provoked - How can Gen. Ross call the Thing a coward for not attacking the Hulk yet? They all just arrived at the base, and were waiting on the conference that Ross himself created to end!

Project 34 - Just what is Project 34? Gen. Ross thinks it's a anti-grav missle. While Banner says it is a EM Pulse field generator.

Lollygagging - Ok, now Gen. Ross can be pissed. The FF are supposed to be looking for the Hulk, but they're playing with the rocket sled instead!

The Hulk Top - Instead of a living tornado the Hulk suddenly has the power of the Whirlwind!

Perspective - On page 23, panel 3 either that guard is really tall, or Karl Kort is really short.

'Nuff Said - "That's the kind of talk I like! Action talk!"-Gen. Ross

  Bramwell Says:    
  2014-01-12 20:14:46  
  1. Nice cover. I have to think that Hulk vs Thing was a dream fight for the year.
2. Nothing like destroying your own elevator just because you don't want to wait.
3. So now Sue is just for morale...I hate sexism
4. Props for the newn fantastical
5. Bound set of telephone books...boggle.
6. Love the hulk power clap, especially when used on the Torch
7. I like the last panel.
This was a really good read. I can't wait to see every issue in 616 where Hulk and Thing fight. 4 stars.

  GroovyGolem Says:    
  2014-01-27 14:34:55  
  How times have changed... General Ross highly covets his set of bound telephone books, and these days they go right into the recycle bin upon delivery!

And ol' Reed isn't winning any points with Sue. Ross: "a pretty lady can always be of help... Just by keeping the men's morale up!" Reed: "that's just the way we feel about Sue, General!"

No wonder she's got the hots for Namor.

  danberado Says:    
  2014-02-13 01:56:43  
  Maybe I'm reading to deep into this, but it said it was a communist -Front- carrying card. Like how a bicycle shop might be a front for an illegal drug dealer's operation. So it might be a card for some company with espionage ties that the communists were unaware of the fact that the Americans were on to them.

Given Stan Lee's previous writings, I find this unlikely, but I'm just saying...

  rainbowsad Says:    
  2014-07-05 19:30:09  
  Good issue! Loved the crossover, although someone as smart as Reed should be able to see that the Hulk can't tear something from the inside out. One big complaint though: "Miss Storm, a pretty young lady can always be of help--just by keeping the men's morale up!" Really?  

  bigcat1969 Says:    
  2014-10-31 12:16:07  
  This a more to say thank you for the list than to comment about the issue. I got the Marvel Unlimited Thing for a year and this is a great way to use it! Thanks for all your hard work putting this interactive list together and linking directly to the issue so all I have to do is click. I've done a little blog about digital musical instruments, so I have some small idea of the work involved and your efforts and the look amazing me.

The first 40 issues are great retro fun mixing complete hokum and the fun of seeing the Marvel Universe in its birth pangs. Thankfully it will get better across the decades, but seeing the initial burst of creativity in the birth of the Fantastic 4, Thor, Batman and to a lesser extent Antman and Hulk is a lot of fun.

Its appropriate that the first 40 issue page ends with the first Marvel Universe crossover (OK not counting a few random Crossover/Universe things like Sub Mariner). It was fun to see the first little fight between two of the Universe's muscle men and funny that the public likely has the Hulk imprinted on their cultural memory and don't know a thing about well the Thing even though he has been much more successful with the Fantastic Four than Hulk has been in his comics.

  Imperator Says:    
  2015-01-11 11:34:58  
  Thing vs. Hulk nice :)  

  quartertwain Says:    
  2015-02-17 05:18:41  
  So....Senator McCarthy is censured by Congress in 1954, for his 4 year, dishonest and idiotic quest to discredit "card carrying Communists". 9 years later, the dumbasses at Marvel unearth this patriotic terd, and try to breath new life into it. Meanwhile...1963 in The US marks the beginning of the womens' liberation movement and a benchmark in male chauvinism by Stan Lee and his spineless cohorts. Why is it that Stan Lee is respected as some sort of intellectual figure today? It's pretty clear that he spent much of his life intellectually handicapping young children.  

  quartertwain @ quartertwain (original post):    
  2015-02-17 05:24:54  
  Other than that, it was a pretty good episode. The Fantasticar sorely needed that makeover; The Thing and Hulk's battle was probably the most well drawn and dramatic I've read so far; and we were given the tantalizing hope that we might have two heroes have a non-violent conversation in the near future. Oh yeah, and this list is awesome. Muchas gracias!  

  Hovis Says:    
  2015-09-12 13:43:23  
  I'm not a big fan of the FF and every issue up to this one i've been giving low stars (not because I dislike them, I just didn't care for the story) This is the first issue where I rated them high. I like the inclusion of Hulk and except for a few minor gripes, the story kept me interested. Good job.  

  hendrica Says:    
  2015-10-24 12:09:24  
  I get needing telephone books back in that day and age but who "collects" a whole 10 book bound set of them? Also bothered me a bit that the cover claimed to be a full length epic and then the first three chapters were all just boring talk.  

  Urgat Says:    
  2015-10-29 17:40:49  
  FF vs. Hulk...more like...Thing vs. Hulk...but i really liked the Story, drawing and outcome of this issue! but that sexism...man...! and Sue can be useful as she proofs in the undergroundlab of the Wrecker...4*  

  jbb10499 Says:    
  2015-11-23 10:37:26  

  yack Says:    
  2015-12-22 12:40:20  
  Poor Sue, she keeps getting treated like a piece of crap. I'm amazed she did not quit before the baby. Thing vs The Hulk is cool...but the battle could of been so much more.  

  RobinHoodMtl Says:    
  2016-03-08 21:53:16  
  • Looks like Romeo is going steady with Alicia. I love that relationship! And maybe she will talk some sense into the brute.

  • Is it me or is General Ross much shorter than usual? He also wears a different uniform.

  • How did Ross manage to get the Hulk to pose for such a close-up portrait?

  • Sue’s officially got herself a cheerleading role in the team!

  • Johnny sure did a fantastic job on the Fantasticar. Looks way cooler than the ol’ bathtub!

  • Ross keeps a bound set of telephone books? He needs a life!

  • It is the first time we hear someone speak of reimbursing damaged goods. At this rate, they’ll go bankrupt again.

  • Jones got the Torch figured out right away: “Boy! You’re just a barrel of laughs, ain’t ya?”

  • The membership card is quite a ridiculous twist! What kind of subversive organization would give such things?!

  • Despite the aforementioned minor details, this story is epic! Great crossover! The sexist crap is what lost this story my fifth star.

  Billstar2 Says:    
  2016-03-22 17:00:51  
  Would've loved to see more Thing vs. Hulk. The wallet communist card was the first time that I wanted to slap my forehead and shout arrrgh. It's all the Red's fault. I remember card carrying communist was a thing but seemed a little too much.  

  Calion @ darkdragonne (original post):    
  2016-05-23 20:08:42  
  I presume the in-universe comics aren't the same ones we read.  

  Calion @ bigcat1969 (original post):    
  2016-05-23 20:22:30  

  RedLaugh Says:    
  2016-08-29 23:18:28  
  Very fun issue but this anticommunist propaganda... I hate it.
The first crossover in marvel universe was ruined for me.

  Murphynator42 Says:    
  2016-10-24 15:13:24  
  A flawed but fantastic crossover with some great visuals. One of the better stories in the order so far, the now expected plot contrivances and sexism notwithstanding  

  ScottG12 Says:    
  2016-11-06 13:19:07  
  The worst communist spy so far...  

  davidmunday815 Says:    
  2017-03-09 15:35:36  
  Communist membership card aside, this is a great issue!  

  noahsell Says:    
  2017-06-05 18:29:47  
  This was a great issue easily one of the best so far  

  jennychan Says:    
  2018-01-12 08:09:39  
  I guess the FF missed the Hulk vs MORGU on TV and in the newspapers.

This is the first real crossover proving that Lee was creating a shared universe, and it was a doozy, folks! Hulk, Ross, and Rick come off better here than in their own mag!

Kirby's artwork was cleaner in this one.

Marvel really hit gold with this issue, truthfully.

All the documentaries, interviews, and books kinda say that the Marvel revolution was overnight, but so far the Order showed Sturgeon's Law prevailed even in early Marvel (only a few great stories so far). But the superhero battles really take it up a notch (see Torch vs Namor and Hulk vs Thing).

  UncannyAddiction Says:    
  2018-01-23 07:32:27  
  I think the Thing might need medication. He has anger issues.  

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Essential Fantastic Four, Volume 1
This collection includesFantastic Four #1 (v1), Fantastic Four #2 (v1), Fantastic Four #3 (v1), Fantastic Four #4 (v1), Fantastic Four #5 (v1), Fantastic Four #6 (v1), Fantastic Four #7 (v1), Fantastic Four #8 (v1), Fantastic Four #9 (v1), Fantastic Four #10 (v1), Fantastic Four #11b (v1), Fantastic Four #12 (v1), Fantastic Four #13 (v1), Fantastic Four #14 (v1), Fantastic Four #15 (v1), Fantastic Four #17 (v1), Fantastic Four #18 (v1), Fantastic Four #19 (v1), Fantastic Four #20 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #1a, Fantastic Four #11a (v1)
Marvel Masterworks: Fantastic Four, Volume 2
This collection includesFantastic Four #15 (v1), Fantastic Four #11b (v1), Fantastic Four #12 (v1), Fantastic Four #13 (v1), Fantastic Four #14 (v1), Fantastic Four #16 (v1), Fantastic Four #17 (v1), Fantastic Four #18 (v1), Fantastic Four #19 (v1), Fantastic Four #20 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #1a
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Issue Letters Page

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Issue Number 9 was your usual best, which is darn good. This tale carried an intriguing title, "The End of the Fantastic Four," and one that sort of had you going. The thing that made this story was the reappearance of the Sub-Mariner. These Sub-Mariner-Four tales are masterpieces and this is due to the clash in personalities. One, at first glance, would look at Namor as a rival of the Four, but at second glance you see things differently. It was probably summed up in what Sue Storm said, "After all, he lives by a different code than we do – he can never really understand us! And – whatever he did – he did for – love." Artwise, you come off pretty well. If you stick to the way you've drawn the Thing in this issue, especially the overflowing eyebrows as in pages 3 and 4, you would have an almost perfect looking (as far as I'm concerned) Thing. The only complaints I have artwise run thusly: 1) You can't draw the Torch. I especially dislike the way the Torch looks when he's standing still. Besides looking bad, it doesn't seem right. Here you've said that his flame burns for only a limited period of time, and then you have him using up this limited period of time just standing around. And 2) it may seem silly but – you can't draw human-looking feet. Maybe it's because you're so used to drawing the huge-toed Thing and the Hulk, but improvement would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and your great publication. Regards.

Tommy Jones
622 Plater
Aberdeen, Maryland

Stan is answering this one. Jack is in a corner learning to draw feet. The reason the TORCH flames on occasionally when he's just standing around is that his flame is somewhat like a battery – it must be charged once in a while. If it isn't used every so often, it might not ignite when he needs it.

Dear Stan and Jack:

      In answer to so many requests for back issues of FF, Tales to Astonish, Strange Tales, Hulk, etc., please send me your complete "want" list, as I have a small stock of the FF group. Submit your highest bid and you may beat a straight sale price so as to be sure to obtain a desired issue. All my issues are in fine to mint condition. All issues will be mailed flat. Best o' luck, Stan and Jack, and may your sales be many.

Dean Newman
P.O. Box 855
Bard, California

We don't publish "want" lists, but we ARE printing your letter, Dean, in case some of our fans might want to contact you.

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I think,…No, I know the FF is the greatest magazine on the market! When I read the lettter from PAUL GAMBACCINI I could have kicked that x!!- °/? in the seat! Imagine! Saying the FF is stupid, the artwork horrible, etc.! he must be a KOOK not to love the FF on sight! I have read every printed issue of FF, and I wouldn’t trade any of them for 100 of any other magazine! As for that PAUL WHAT'S HIS NAME?, if he hates your magazine, nobody is forcing him to read it. Please don’t add, subtract, divide, or multiply the FF's or change the characters or their dispositions. I love the idea of a FF T.V. series as mentioned in a previous issue. I wish you turned out an issue a week, but I suppose it is hard to write such wonderful stories. My favorite FF characters are in this order: 1. Johnny Storm, 2. Susan Storm, 3. Mr. Fantastic, 4. The Thing.

      Please, please print this letter; include everything stated so we can show every kook in the world like that Paul, that FF is the world's greatest magazine, and in case anyone wants to argue with me, send their complaints to Marsha Cox, Route 5, Nampa, Idaho.

Marsha Cox
Nampa, Idaho

Thanks, Marsha, we appreciate your enthusiasm. Hope we don’t later learn that you're just a wily stamp collector!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Have had the latest issues of Fantastic Four, Strange Tales, Journey Into Mystery, and The Incredible Hulk for some time, and it is time for me to throw my two-bits worth into the ring. FF #9…very, very good. I don’t see Reed Richards losing his shirt on a bunch of stocks (after all, if he'd invested in the blue chip stocks he still would have had an appreciable amount of money coming in), but otherwise it was a fine story. Sub-Mariner's scheme was intriguing and Invisible Girl-Namor battles were great, but I'd have liked to have seen Torch and Mr. Fantastic battle the Sea Monarch. There were some discrepancies in the layout of S.M. Studios. After all, the personalities shown all belong to various and sundry studios, and despite Namor's wealth, he couldn't have gotten them out from under their contracts. Also, Bing Crosby and Jackie Gleason were barely recognizable and I have yet to figure out who it was that was talking to Gleason after Jackie talked to the Thing. Oh yes, why'd the FF have to hitch-hike? Torch could have flown, and Mr. Fantastic could easily have covered the distance with "mile at a time" strides. Talking about Mr. Fantastic, he should use his abilities more. He could have scouted that island thoroughly by standing in one spot and stretching up to get an aerial view. I realize that Mr. F. probably isn't used to his fabulous powers, but don’t you think he would have realized the possibilities by now? Regarding Dr. Doom in FF #10: I like both Namor and Doom, but how about some other villains? Mole Man should be making a return about now. Also, Miracle Man could escape, find (I don’t know how) the Skrulls, and hypnotise [hypnotize] them into going back into their original state and working for him. The possibilities of those shape-changing outer space types never were realized in FF #2.

Steve Perrin
4420 Meadowlark Lane
Santa Barbara, California

The only way to handle a letter like this is to devote a whole issue to answering it! But – not for a few years! Besides, mebbe some of our readers would like to answer a few of Steve's comments?

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I've been reading the Fantastic Four ever since it came out, and I'd like to say it's great! It's original, highly entertaining, and realistic. Here's my opinion of your characters: Mr. Fantastic: Reed Richards is the ideal type of hero to lead such an organization. I think his name should remain the same. Maybe the name 'Mr. Fantastic" is too egotistical, but it gives the magazine that extra touch. He is my favorite character. The Thing: I think the conflict between Ben Grimm and his fellow members gives the mag another touch not often used in a comic magazine. I'm also glad that Ben can't turn back to a human at will. Reed's formula (in 'Prisoners of the Puppet Master"), although at first I thought it was going to ruin the mag, actually made me an even-more-ardent fan, because of its limitations. However, he looks different now. Compare him in issues 1 and 8, and see how the art changed. The Invisible Girl: Susan Storm ought to play a more important part in your stories. As for M. Ross's suggestions about kicking her out because she never does anything, he can like it or lump it for all I care. I think Reed should go out for her more than he has been doing. The Human Torch: Great! I like the way Johnny's flame sometimes dies out when in flight, and the way he can make it do whatever he wants it to do. I think he got what he deserved in the story about the "Puppet Master" and believe me, he deserved it! As for Alicia, I hope she at least becomes an honorary member. I agreed with H. Sher about who should play the heroes (and heroine) in the movies. And I picked out stars to play the villains. They are: The Mole-man, Peter Lorre (with Makeup); Dr. Doom, Boris Karloff; Sub-Mariner, Johnny Weismuller; The Puppet Master, Yul Brynner, with a little makeup. This is too long to print, I know, but thanks for listening.

Steve Utley
Trenton, New Jersey

Too long to print? Not a chance! Why do you think we increased this section to two pages?

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Never have I seen a truer title than "THE END OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR!" I love the F4. I have every issue, and love ever issue. But #9 was kind of silly. The idea of heroes going bankrupt is ridiculous! Fans read comics because the heroes in them act like comic book heroes, and not like real-life people. For Heaven's sake, don’t ruin the FANTASTIC FOUR! They've come along so well, and now to have a plot like the "END OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR!" your best bet would be to have startling adventures – see if your other readers agree. I also think SUB-MARINER should become a hero. SPIDERMAN should join to make it THE FANTASTIC FIVE, and TORCH should get his own book. One last "thing" – the reason the F4 fight is because of THE THING. Get rid of him!

Fred Bronson
11620 Port Road
Culver City, California

Every super-villain we've had has tried to get rid of the THING – and you expect US to do it? We can't even get rid of an annoying rattle in our radiator!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I've but one comment to make regarding your magazine, which is: "IT STINKS." That is if you don’t like great stories, original and unique characters, and wholesome entertainment. As for the controversy about the THING, I believe he should be kept as is, except that Reed might invent a serum that would change him back to Ben Grimm for limited periods of time. As for adding more members, definitely not. Ditto for evicting Sue Storm, alias INVISIBLE GIRL. This would only serve to detract from the FF's originality and uniqueness. I find no words which describe "The End of the Fantastic Four." However, you overdid the beginning. Surely some rich philanthropist or some organization would realize the importance of the Fantastic Four and contribute something to their cause. Also, at the end of the story Namor states, "The movie will be produced – as promised." How could it be, when in the chapter entitled, "The Fury of Mr. Fantastic" Namor states, "…Now to return home. We're finished here." The same goes for the HUMAN TORCH episode. Keep up the good work.

David Zeltzer
23861 Rennsselaer
Oak Park, Michigan

When Namor said the movie would be produced, he then hired new writers and legitimate cameramen and they produced it. But – that's another story.

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Once I asked you for FF #1. Of course you didn’t have it. Now I wish you would publish my full name and address, I will give anyone 50˘ for that issue if no pages are missing or anything is wrong with it. Aloha!

Edward Corbett
145 Sanford Street
Glens Falls, New York

P.S. Compliments to the world's greatest comic magazine.

Hey! If we knew they'd be worth so much, we'd have charged 50˘ each OURSELVES!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Oboy, was Fantastic Four #9 ever great! The idea of a super-hero team going broke is almost heresy by conventional comic book standards, but it's such off-the-beaten-path-stories as the End of the Fantastic Four that makes yours the greatest mag going. You guys aren't afraid to place your characters in human situations, and the constant by-play between the Thing and Human Torch and Susan and Sub-Mariner is so true to life that it makes other pseudo-dramatic comics look pretty sick. I suppose – to be realistic – I should find some word of criticism (negative, that is) to say about your comic, but I can't. Having followed Mr. Kirby's wonderful art since the '40's, I can truthfully say that you couldn't have gotten a better artist to do FF. He has a way with costume heroes that has been mastered by few other artists in the medium and, also, his highly original renditions of monsters with gaping jaws and cracked hides make the Thing, at once, a figure of awe and sympathy. This is art -- no question about it. The superior and imaginative scripts by Mr. lee further insure that when the day comes that comics are accorded their rightful place in the Arts, along with music, painting, and drama, the Fantastic Four magazine will be held up as the best example of this. Thanks for many hours of entertainment.

Landon Chesney
1955 Harle Avenue
Cleveland, Tennessee
Landon, old pal, if you ever run for president, let us know!

IMPORTANT NOTE: The FANTASTIC FOUR make a guest appearance in the new AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Comics, #1, on sale December 10th. DON'T MISS IT!

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