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828: Fantastic Four #78 (v1)

" The Thing No More! "
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Fantastic Four #78 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Jack Kirby
Writers: Stan Lee
Pencilers: Jack Kirby
Inkers: Joe Sinnott
Letterers: Sam Rosen
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: September 1968
Release Date: July 1968
Story Arc: -
Pages: 20
Cover Price: $0.12
Times Read: 451                 Times Rated: 257
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Ben slumps into one of his depressive states and Johnny tries to cheer him up. Reed comes up with a permanent solution to make the Thing turn into Ben Grimm once more. The Wizard takes the opportunity to attack the Baxter Building.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Fantastic last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). Mr. Fantastic next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
  The Thing
The Thing last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). The Thing next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
Supporting Characters
  The Invisible Girl
The Invisible Girl last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). The Invisible Girl next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
Crystal last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). Crystal next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
  Dr. Molinari
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Dr. Molinari in the mainstream continuity. Dr. Molinari next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
  The Wizard
The Wizard last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #4. The Wizard next appears in Marvel Super-Heroes #15 (v1).
Group Appearances
The Fantastic Four (Roster II)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Fantastic Four #77 (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Fantastic Four #79 (v1).
Equipment, Items & Vehicles
Fantasticar MK II
Fantasticar MK II last appeared in Fantastic Four #39 (v1). Fantasticar MK II next appears in Fantastic Four #94 (v1).
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  imeco Says:    
  2012-07-02 22:41:18  
  Why isn't Reed with his wife in the hospital?!  

  rubixcube60 Says:    
  2012-09-18 21:01:32  
  I'm surprised that the questions regarding what exactly the baby will be didn't arise till now. It seems like that would be the very first thing that they'd bring up to drum up some suspense.  

  leisch Says:    
  2013-08-16 10:48:25  
  "I never beat Torch on my own. I can't beat the Fantaastic Four with 3 accomplices to help me, but all I need is my handy dandy Wonder Gloves (tm) to beat them on my own." Yep, he's a real Wizard.  

  cmp_doctor Says:    
  2013-12-01 09:39:43  
  It would be nice if the Thing complains less and accepts who he is  

  duncanm Says:    
  2014-06-10 22:26:07  
  Aw, I thought we were done with turning Thing back in to Ben stories for the foreseeable future.
Newspaper Headline: "WIZARD RELEASED FROM PRISON: Vows Vengeance on the Fantastic 4" Well what the heck did they release him for then? He is in there for attemted murder and whatnot, and as soon as he's out he says he's going to try again?!
Did the doctors not think about the whole cosmic radiation thing until right before she gives birth? Bunch a quacks.
Well Wizard was beaten quite easily...I mean he's usually a pushover on his own, but they gave it so much build-up.
Didn't we already have this special episode of the FF, where Ben has to choose to remain Ben Grimm or the Thing forever? What if you just used some of those temporary potions, let him take vacations or dates as Ben?

  scottyjrules Says:    
  2014-07-19 11:51:40  
  Oh good. Another Thing wants to be human story. And the Wizard. Again. You can totally see nearly my entire seat because I'm on the edge of it...  

  scottyjrules Says:    
  2014-07-19 12:04:29  
  I take back the snark. This was actually incredibly entertaining. That being said, I never want to see this trope ever again...  

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2014-09-28 13:30:06  
  The Wingless Wizard is a horrible nemesis, and I'm up to here with the Ben/Alicia self pity drama. 2stars.  

  specialque Says:    
  2014-11-27 09:22:06  
  For all their security measures, the Baxter Building is shockingly easy for supervillains to break into.

Also, why can't the FF hit up Iron Man and ask him to make a suit for Ben? Hell, I'm sure Reed himself could make Ben a powersuit or something. He doesn't have to become the Thing again.

  MattzLadd Says:    
  2014-12-13 16:42:51  
  Sure, Johnny casually burning down chunks of expensive and dangerous equipment is just gonna make it sizzle down into nice, manageable pieces.


  Alex Daily Says:    
  2014-12-23 15:22:05  
  Firstly, let's can it with the misogynist language.

Secondly, what he thinks she is is, I'd say, more interested in "normal", more conveniently handsome men than in the big, awkward, gross, bag of bricks of a man he thinks he is. Given Ben's struggle with depression, that's a far more likely interpretation than him thinking she likes to sleep around and/or engage in prostitution, depending on which definition of "whore" you're going by, here.

  Locust75 Says:    
  2015-04-11 22:18:19  
  3 stars for the Wizard and his iron gloves wrapped in velvet!!!

Take The Stairs - I thought the remote belt gadget to the elevator was to gain access to the top floors from the lobby of the Baxter. Why use it when you're already there??

Union Dues - What happened to the construction crew from FF #74??

Pudding Pops - Johnny's joke about Ben giving Bill Cosby a run for his money takes on whole new meaning these days...

Call Of The Midwife - @imeco: Back in those days the Men stayed as far away from the birthing process as possible! My Father wasn't there for my brother or my birth either!

Wash Day - Finally, Crystal is not wearing a yellow outfit!!

Punchline - Hey! A Wingless Wizard in a blender!!!

'Nuff Said - "Wrong again, you juvenile jackanapes!"-Wizard

  Antifa Says:    
  2015-06-25 12:13:47  
  the thing fighting and ben grimm fighting are the same thing. he gets thrown around and complains.  

  dpaone @ specialque (original post):    
  2015-09-28 19:14:03  
  Stark is still using transistor technology at this point.  

  dpaone @ specialque (original post):    
  2015-10-02 05:20:32  

  Katryn Says:    
  2016-06-11 01:17:04  
  Does Kirby just not know how to draw pregnant women or something? I mean, Sue's been pregnant for a while and is still as skinny as she was before. And Crystal apparently has nothing else to do when Johnny is away than hang out with his sister.  

  GroovyGolem Says:    
  2016-08-15 20:37:29  
  Don't forget, showing a pregnant woman back in the day just wasn't "done" very often. I guess pregnancy implies sex and America is still fairly puritanical, even 500 years later. But it does show you how attitudes have changed since the 60s considering we all find it strange not to see Sue's baby bump!

I kind of liked this issue. I found it interesting that they all acknowledged Ben's slide into depression. I would think that was a pretty progressive plot point, almost as taboo as a baby bump back then.

I liked how our heroes emerged from the micro-verse and ended up on the floor. That was a nice touch. Unlike most, I found Ben's change, and the dynamic he has with Reed, very compelling in this issue. I thought it was cool how an angry Reed grabbed the Wizard and really slammed him around (Pg14/P1) and how Ben still gave it his all in spite of being just Ben. I also liked how, in the end, it was the Torch who beat the Wizard. That's gotta really bug the guy.

I'm missing the "4" in Fantastic Four though. Looking forward to getting a 4th team member to fill in for Sue. I'm assuming it will be Crystal?

Also, I like the design of her hair band!

  Russ Says:    
  2016-10-23 18:01:13  
  I have to agree with @GroovyGolem's take on Sue's pregnancy. Even during this time (1968) TV shows showed married couples in separate beds. The baby bump might've provoked some disapproving mail back then, or received a threat of the CCA stamp removal, especially since most of the reading audience were still male kids, elementary school to college age. And no doubt many of the writers and artists in the bullpen were in the industry when Frederic Wertham suddenly became a household name. So, while we see subtle double-entendres, imagery, and innuendo from time to time, most artists were probably in the habit of not depicting anything overt that might cross that line. The CCA was actually feared by many in the industry back then. Well, except maybe Jim Steranko.

On to the story. Reed suddenly wanting to change the Thing back to Ben Grimm comes at an interesting time, with a pregnant Sue in the hospital and thus already one body down. I know this is becoming an over-worn plot point in the book but we were told there'd be a number of attempts until success, right? And yeah, the obvious answer would be to let him change back and forth whenever he needs to, but the ending seems to have put the kibosh on that little pipe dream.

Speaking of Sue's pregnancy, I had a feeling her cosmic-radiation-induced powers were going to be a factor before she pops the kid.

And the Wizard's "Wonder Gloves." Hoo boy, this guy's let all those defeats get to him. "Wonder Glove powers....activate! Form of...." Nah, I just can't.

  dadoodoflow Says:    
  2017-03-28 06:49:08  
  Soundtrack: Lou Reed "Candy Says"  

  JonahBlack Says:    
  2017-07-28 05:52:52  
  Why did they spend half a page showing us the special belt buckles the FF uses to get into their part of the Baxter Building, only to have the Wizard show up with no explanation?

That said, despite the Wizard being a lackluster villain, and the 'Make Ben Human Again' storyline being played out, this was an entertaining issue. There was legitimate tension during the fight, and Wizard was just a credible enough threat against Reed and Johnny with the element of surprise without being *too* successful, given his previous lack thereof

  samholmes1313 Says:    
  2017-08-31 04:31:32  
  So tired of Thing whining about not being human-shaped. Reed managed to fix him more than once and Ben threw a fit about Alicia not liking him if he's not the Thing. Hope this is the last time.  

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Marvel Masterworks: Fantastic Four, Volume 8
This collection includesFantastic Four #72 (v1), Fantastic Four #73 (v1), Fantastic Four #74 (v1), Fantastic Four #75 (v1), Fantastic Four #76 (v1), Fantastic Four #77 (v1), Fantastic Four #78 (v1), Fantastic Four #79 (v1), Fantastic Four #80 (v1), Fantastic Four Annual #6, Fantastic Four #81 (v1), Fantastic Four #82 (v1)
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   February 2, 2018 TStarnes Added Fantasticar MK II listing.
   February 2, 2018 TStarnes
   February 2, 2018 Urgat
   December 4, 2017 TStarnes Changed comic details.
   November 24, 2017 TStarnes
   January 28, 2017 fragsel Added Dr. Molinari to the issue.
   March 16, 2014 Raistlin903 Updated the listing for The Fantastic Four.
   March 15, 2014 Spider-Borg Changed comic details.
   January 24, 2014 Raistlin903 Updated the listing for The Invisible Girl.
   August 14, 2013 TStarnes Deleted listing of Frightful Four.
   August 11, 2013 Robareid Updated the listing for The Wizard.
   August 11, 2013 Robareid Updated the listing for The Human Torch.
   August 11, 2013 Robareid Updated the listing for The Thing.
   August 11, 2013 Robareid Updated the listing for The Invisible Girl.
   August 11, 2013 Robareid Updated the listing for Mr. Fantastic.
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