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79: Fantastic Four #16 (v1)

" The Micro-World of Doctor Doom "
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Fantastic Four #16 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Jack Kirby, Dick Ayers
Writers: Stan Lee
Pencilers: Jack Kirby
Inkers: Dick Ayers
Colourists: Stan Goldberg
Letterers: Artie Simek
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: July 1963
Release Date: April 1963
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Pages: 22
Cover Price: $0.12
Times Read: 1,308                 Times Rated: 686
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When the Fantastic Four find themselves shrinking to mere inches they elicit the help of the Ant-man. He offers them vials of his shrinking and enlarging serum which they use to enter the Micro-world. To their surprise they find that the ruler of this world is none other that Doctor Doom!
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Main Characters
  Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Fantastic last appeared in Strange Tales #111a (v1). Mr. Fantastic next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
  The Invisible Girl
The Invisible Girl last appeared in Strange Tales #111a (v1). The Invisible Girl next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Strange Tales #111a (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
  The Thing
The Thing last appeared in Strange Tales #111a (v1). The Thing next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
Supporting Characters
  Alicia Masters
Alicia Masters last appeared in Fantastic Four #15 (v1). Alicia Masters next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
  Queen Pearla
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Queen Pearla in the mainstream continuity. Queen Pearla next appears in Marvel Two-in-One #87.
  The Wasp
The Wasp last appeared in Tales to Astonish #45 (v1). The Wasp next appears in Tales to Astonish #46 (v1).
Ant-Man last appeared in Tales to Astonish #45 (v1). Ant-Man next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
  Doctor Doom
Doctor Doom last appeared in Fantastic Four #10 (v1). Doctor Doom next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
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The Fantastic Four (Roster I)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Strange Tales #111a (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
Lizard Men of Tok
This is the first appearance by Lizard Men of Tok in the mainstream continuity. Lizard Men of Tok next appears in Marvel Two-in-One #87.
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Doctor Doom's Armor
Doctor Doom's Armor last appeared in Fantastic Four #10 (v1). Doctor Doom's Armor next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
Ant-Man Cybernetic Helmet
Ant-Man Cybernetic Helmet last appeared in Tales to Astonish #45 (v1). Ant-Man Cybernetic Helmet next appears in Fantastic Four #17 (v1).
Ant-Man's Catapult
Ant-Man's Catapult last appeared in Tales to Astonish #44 (v1). Ant-Man's Catapult next appears in Tales to Astonish #46 (v1).
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  Bob Says:    
  2011-10-23 09:08:16  
  Let me get this straight: The F4 are trapped in a micro-world which is ruled by Doom and are imprisoned in an undwater-dungeon which is surrounded by deadly acid and last but not least filled with creatures that look like living fish but they are in reality metallic mechanical spies with which Doom watches and hears everything.

You can't top that.

  thomassp74 Says:    
  2011-11-22 10:32:17  
  Why is Ben's strength reduced ten times when he's shrunk, but Antman keeps his?

"Might as well turn visible again" ?!? How stupid is Sue?

ANOTHER woman falls in love with a character after first meeting?! I wonder if any females read these books back then.

  TStarnes Says:    
  2011-11-22 19:19:54  
  I am going to say few to none.  

  Hertz1991 Says:    
  2012-01-06 13:24:48  
  On the Fantastic Four Fan Letter Page, there seem to be some females who read these comics back then.  

  Safis Says:    
  2012-02-20 12:12:13  
  So there's a whole race of tiny, tiny people living inside the FF's lab? I found this one hard to get into.  

  Webslinger Says:    
  2012-04-11 06:18:34  
  Ant-man finally summons another kind of ant this time, I was eagerly waiting for this moment (really, I mean it, as there are more than 10,000 ant species), although none would fly as high as Baxter sky-scraper...

Well, and the first parallel universe reveled on MU is not parallel at all, it lays in Baxter Building itself!

Sure the plot was not perfect, but after all poor things that came I wonder: why couldn't Stan keep such a good work??? Oh, and Torch scores!

  Dark_Knight93 Says:    
  2012-07-03 17:20:20  
  Stan once again boils love down to the equivalent to 12 year old kids developing crushes. Decent issue nonetheless  

  Ice Says:    
  2012-07-22 17:02:22  
  After Reed force feeds The Thing his latest potion, The Thing turns back into plain ol' Ben and the piano falls on him. When Alicia is checking if Ben is ok, Ben calls her "Sue".
I suppose this is just a typo. But, I choose to believe it was a Freudian slip. Ben did have a crush on Sue in the first issue, after all.

  specialque Says:    
  2012-09-15 22:19:08  
  Not even my beloved Ant-Man could make this story anything more than mediocre. I did like tiny town though.  

  Maidel Says:    
  2012-12-09 13:58:15  
  I'm waiting for just ONE issue that doesn't have scientific or plain plot hole big enough to run a train through.

I know it's a comic, I know that 'cosmic rays' gave them their powers, but that doesn't mean every single physical law has to be ignored.

1) how has a micro society developed on the floor of the top of a modern skyscraper?
2) how the **** did an ant get up there
3) how can Ben Grimm enhance the air from the capsule and then exhale it in order to make the thing rise? It's the same amount if air that was already in there!

There are many more, but this is just really poor...

  edgar987 Says:    
  2012-12-26 16:43:30  
  Loved it great art fun story.  

  Dopey Says:    
  2013-01-09 06:56:32  
  I like how they kept Dr. Doom microscopic for the beginning of this story, as back in issue ten we saw him shrink into nothingness with his defeat. Good continuity.

I don't like the whole 'mystery shrinking' part of the story. The way it panned out, it seemed as if Doom was doing it just to mess with the FF, and I just don't feel that that's his style.

I like how they brought Ant-Man into the fold, but it's such a shame that the Wasp wasn't brought along for the ride. Also, wtf is the deal with Pym's Alice in Wonderland gas shrinking ppl all the way down to super-microscopic size? That doesn't usually happen... And his growth gas halting the shrinkage but not making the team bigger? BAD continuity.

I don't like how that ash hole of a team leader Mr. FANTASTIC teases the Thing by shoving another one of his 'I have a cure for your grotesqueness/Nah, I was just fcuking with ya' potions down his throat while he was carrying a freaking piano. Also, note Ben saying "[Hey smartash, if you're so fantastic] why don't you put your efforts into whipping up a cure for my beloved [Alicia's] blindness?" And how Reed agrees. My money is on Richards giving Ben another 'Screw You, Ugly Mongoloid' potion before he ever thinks of helping poor Alicia's condition.

I don't like Sue's new hairdo either. How long do we have to wait until super- heroines get hot? These comic books are missing some serious t & a.

I loathe the unrealistic way in which the team and royal family escape the inescapable dungeon that they were trapped in. Torch's blinding incorporeal light rays? Come ON! Do better Stan Lee.

  Dopey Says:    
  2013-01-09 06:57:14  
  Also note the Thing stating that he doesn't want to change because Alicia confessed to him that she loves him more the way he is. Stan will forget this fact many times in the future.

I love Dr. Doom and everything about him.

One star for cool Doom pics. One star for a Marvel team-up. One star for the pet squirrel offering the Thing his last nut. Minus one star for the amount of things I didn't like about this issue. One more star for the development of storytelling ability in the Marvel offices. Minus another star because I feel cynical.

  Spider-Borg Says:    
  2013-01-29 13:33:17  
  I thought this issue was good fun even with the pseudo science and plot holes  

  skalchemist Says:    
  2013-04-30 12:40:50  
  Finally Sue gets to do some stuff that doesn't involve being the victim.  

  leisch Says:    
  2013-07-21 17:32:19  
  Sue Storm's philosophy of good and evil at work--Ant Man can't be the mystery villain because he's too cute. Back off, Suzie, he's already got Wasp drooling on him.  

  rook420 Says:    
  2013-07-23 12:59:33  
  I thought Ant-Man was just as strong as a grown man when miniaturized. Why wasn't he able to kill each person with one punch? Even outnumbered, with his disproportionate strength, he could've just bowled them over like the Hulk.  

  wedgeskywalker9 Says:    
  2013-09-04 22:48:29  
  I don't know about this one. The Ant Man guest appearance just felt gratuitous, Reed shoving the potion down Thing's throat was hilarious in a bad way, and the whole story had a feeling of being too campy for its own good. Doom's issues have been some of the greatest highlights of the FF so far, but this one falls short. Just an average overall issue; hoping that the next is better. 2/5.  

  HLW Says:    
  2013-09-15 19:22:19  
  That guinea pig is rather unusual. Despite the dodgy guinea pig, the many inconstancies mentioned in previous comments, and the appearance of Ant-Man, this issue was surprisingly fun!  

  Psychopat Says:    
  2013-09-18 04:44:00  
  1 Star for flying ants
1 Star for Dr Doom
1 Star for Sue's hairdo in the panel where they're told how they'll be used as slaves... she looked kind of evil...

A lot of bad science.... I know it's fiction but c'mon!

A tiny world on the floor of the ff hideout? With an underwater prison surrounded by acids? Another planet with Toks on it? so this world has it's own atmosphere?? really? Ben blowing in the capsule? It's the same air as before! The Story was still good but Stan really need science classes

  Tarquinnff3 Says:    
  2013-10-11 12:21:53  
  This issue is a little strange, but overall enjoyable. I love me some Doctor Doom.  

  marvelcomicslover Says:    
  2013-11-10 16:34:47  
  Loved the team up with Ant-Man and Fantastic Four!!!  

  gonzo Says:    
  2013-12-18 13:32:33  
  Love everyone's roles in the slavery scenario. Human Bridge. Strong mine labor. Forced weaponry. And for Sue… do the dishes!  

  Locust75 Says:    
  2014-01-26 21:21:00  
  4 stars for the 1st app of the Microverse, Ant-Man & Wasp, and DOOM!!!

Cover Me - Cool image of the FF in the clutches of Doom, and seeing Ant-Man in the magnifying glass.

Splash - The opening splash page is funny with the Thing tearing up the microscope. "Try to take a peek at me, will ya!".

Squash - When Ben 1st grew back to regular size was it while he was still in the cage? If so, then I feel sorry for Charlie the pet Guinea Pig!

Feng Shui - So Pym has a giant statue of an grasshopper in his pad...but not an ant???

Go To The Dogs - I like the scene of the dogs sniffing out Sue, as she confesses to trying different perfumes just for fun.

Barney - When we 1st meet Doom's guards. There is one dressed in a crappy dino costume!

Lil Thing - Mini-Thing is so cute.

'Nuff Said - "The fools! They live in peace! They are contented and happy! But I'll soon put a stop to that!"-Dr. Doom

  opusaug Says:    
  2014-02-10 23:38:20  
  Let's get something straight - they're not "inside the Baxter building." Pearla refers to their world being in a universe of its own, and they have space travel with other worlds inside this universe - I thought it was pretty clear they traveled to another dimension when they shrank. Indeed, the Marvel Universe Wiki says: "Sub-Atomica was located in the Microverse (a universe accessed via the energies of shrinking)." So anyone deducting stars for implausible science would just seem to need a more pliable imagination.

Given all that, if they hadn't included Ant-Man in an issue about shrinking, we would have had a right to complain about a lost opportunity - I think Pym adds a nice touch to the story. Otherwise, everything else is about standard fare for Silver Age silliness, with a minimum of groan-worthy writing. So 3 stars, or even 4 if you're a dedicated Doom fan.

  GroovyGolem Says:    
  2014-02-20 19:55:03  
  This one had its problems, but I still loved it. Ant-Man, Doom, Alicia, Charlie the guinea pig, Sue as a scullery maid... this one had it all.

And how great was the build-up of the arrival of the Toks, and then the Thing takes them out before they even arrive with a home run hit? Awesome.

  Bramwell Says:    
  2014-02-21 20:59:22  
  1. Sweet cover
2. Page 6 panel 6 could be a poster
3. I'm OK with the micro world but how can it not matter where you are when you shrink. All shrinking puts you in the micro DD throne room?
4. That escape plan seems to have all kinds of problems with it
5. And why didn't Dr Doom just use the enlarging ray as soon as he built it.
This book has lots of problems but DD is still way better than anything else we are seeing at this point...3 stard

  rainbowsad Says:    
  2014-07-08 12:52:21  
  Decent issue. I actually quite liked the whole "microscopic world". Sue's character makes some silly decisions, as usual, but I can tell they're trying to expand her role, so for that I am pleased.  

  rook420 Says:    
  2014-08-25 17:40:12  
  I wasn't aware that the Marvel wiki or the rules for the multi-verse were al;ready in place back in 1963. It seems to me that the story was pretty darn clear that they simply shrank, even with Pearla saying what she did. Did they dimension jump, or did they shrink? If they were in another dimension, why could they hear Doom? Nope, this story simply had bad science so I repeat my previous question. Where was Ant_man's retained strength?  

  rook420 Says:    
  2014-08-25 17:41:56  
  Also, does Sun-Atomica lack locality? Because whereever they shrank, they showed up in the same place.  

  Phantomshark Says:    
  2014-11-03 09:03:46  
  "Special Surprise Guest Star Ant-Man". It wasn't such a surprise after that.  

  Imperator Says:    
  2015-01-11 11:34:37  
  I always loved Doom :)  

  quartertwain Says:    
  2015-03-02 15:11:57  
  I liked the drawing of Sue the Scullery Maid. But isn't that basically her role in The Fantastic Four anyways? Why would she care if she was an alien race's slave? I can't see it as any worse than how Stan Lee treats her.  

  Firebathero Says:    
  2015-03-05 08:58:47  
  If Ant-Man shrunk down to the size of the lizard men, shouldn't he have retained his original strength? He shouldn't have been so easily overpowered by them, or overpowered by them at all. At that size with his original strength he should have possessed a god-like might.  

  rodyoungerblood Says:    
  2015-06-12 07:02:49  
  Is this the first multi-part story by Lee?!  

  Urgat Says:    
  2015-11-17 12:06:27  
  my favourite Moments in this issue:
- The Thing getting offered a nut from a guinea pig, his response made me laugh
- Appearance of Ant-Man
- Dr.Doom lives and tries to defeat his Arch-enemies in his own (previously conquered) realm to trap them there

but i can't seem to get to like the Micro-world...a Universe that you can reach by shrinking small enough....

@rodyoungerblood: in some way, yes

  Urgat Says:    
  2015-11-17 12:08:52  
  oh and one more thing: MORE CROSSOVERS!!!!...can't wait for the avengers 😁  

  jbb10499 Says:    
  2015-11-23 11:00:19  
  Crossovers are fun  

  yack Says:    
  2015-12-23 10:12:22  
  Nice crossover as Ant-man can be lame on his own. Plus Doctor Doom! Good art and I had always had a sweet spot for Sue.  

  RobinHoodMtl Says:    
  2016-03-19 18:32:22  
  • That’s my line – “Well, brush my teeth and call me Smiley!” (The Thing)

  • Two drops?! Hank, you cheap sunova…!

  • If I were Reed, I’d have broken up with Sue a long time ago! Get a grip on your hormones, girl! You’re hurting people, here!

  • Whatever smell you’re going to spray on, sister, dogs are going to smell something!

  • Sue’s powers became useful for real this time.

  • Beyond the usual crappy way love is addressed and despite the whole micro-world nonsense, the story is fairly nice. And the team-up was fun. 4 stars.

  Billstar2 Says:    
  2016-03-22 17:19:18  
  Doom's back! I arrggghed my way through this one with the goofy plot. It did beat the plot of shrink them down and step on them and running from giant cat or dogs.  

  KnuckIfYouBuckley Says:    
  2016-09-13 20:01:29  
  Really liked this one, as I do most FF comics so far. Great continuity with Doctor Doom being trapped in a micro world (remember how he was shrunk at the end of issue #10?), the fantastic dynamic between the team members as always, an appearance by Ant-Man (who I really like as a character even though his solo stories have been largely lacking) further reinforcing the shared universe and last but most certainly not least, a story that isn't wrapped up in this issue, pointing the way for things to come.  

  kent18 Says:    
  2016-11-04 16:56:28  
  One star for the Kirby/Ayers artwork, which was nothing short of absolutely stunning; and one star for the Thing's characterization and dialogue, consistently hilarious from beginning to end.

As for what we'll laughingly refer to as this issue's "plot," on the other hand... yikes.

  jennychan Says:    
  2018-01-12 21:53:45  
  Splash page looks like an alternative cover.
Good job with explaining how Doom survived last time.
But the story was hard to follow and all over the place.
Very confusing microverse logic and placement.
Gonna give this 1 or 2 stars.
Could have been a classic as this was the first teaming of Ant-Man + FF plus Doom. Wasp should have been with him.

  ignaciotixi Says:    
  2018-01-26 08:20:46  
  I really like this pseudo cross overs between heroes  

  LadyWindermeresFangirl Says:    
  2018-03-29 05:03:56  
  If you need help from the Ant-Man, you have failed at Super-Hero Life.  

  ScottG12 Says:    
  2018-04-11 19:07:50  
  It's not a surprise if you stick it on the front cover, haha. I liked this issue a hell of a lot. Few minor problems such as Sue falling in love within seconds as well as the Queen character, but hey it's fun.  

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Dear Stan and Jack:

      I don’t know how to start this letter off, so I'll just start in with the things I have to say: I have all the issues of the FF, and I think they're great! Keep up the good work! I think the FF should meet Thor. It's meeting Spider-Man and the Hulk was so-so; you could have done better. And when Spider-Man entered through the window, he was captured by a capsule. In issue #5, the Sub-Mariner came through the window and the capsule didn’t get him. What gives? A couple of issues ago, Dr. Doom was shrunk by his own weapon. Will we ever see him again? (Probably, All comic villains are born escape-artists.) I think the FF was better off not wearing costumes. The Invisible Girl and Mr. Fantastic should be in more action. I like the way Thing's "mad at the world," if you know what I mean. In the first two issues, you drew the Torch's flame somewhat differently than you do now. I liked it better the way you drew it in the first two issues. I think it would be interesting if somehow the FF's powers were sort of "mixed up." What I mean by this is this: What if: Sue were a "Thing," Johnny could turn invisible; Reed were a "Torch;" Ben would have Mr. Fantastic's power. Show more of the Impossible Man. Have more Pin-up pages. Your new character, "Iron Man," featured in Tales of Suspense, is pretty good.

Clifford Garber
25 Ocean Park
Lynn, Massachusetts

Know something, Cliff? You'd write a pretty good letter if you weren't so bashful about giving your opinions.

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Unlike many of those who write, I can't say that I have read every issue of FF, but I still think that there are a few readers who are as dedicated to it as I. Take that Fred Bronson, for example – a steady reader since the first issue. What does he say? That fans read comics because the heroes don't act like real-life people, that's what. Of all the utter nonsense that I have ever heard that is the most ridiculous, and I'll give my reasons to back that up. First of all, in order to enjoy almost any creative work (including comics), it is necessary to identify with some person. In music, for example, one should try to feel what the composer felt. In any of the media which tells a story, one should identify with at least one character. Otherwise, the story remains an empty shell, pretty to look at, but devoid of meaning. If a story relies upon either plot or character (and comic magazines are usually both), this is especially true. And now comes Fred Bronson, wanting to remove any shred of believability from your marvelous characters – an act which would make identification impossible. Secondly, the quality which makes yours the "world's greatest comic magazine" is precisely that your characters are true-to-life. To my knowledge, this trait is unique to you. In other respects you just barely maintain a moderately above- average rating. It is no accident that your best stories by far are those in which the personalities of the FF come through to play a main role in determining the outcome. I don't presume to know why most fans read most comics, but this fan reads this comic because its characters act like real-life people and not like comic book heroes. I apologize for such a lengthy letter, but I could not let such a point of view as Bronson's go unchallenged. If you're still with me after all this, thanks for listening.

Martha Beck
325 Dewey
Evanston, Illinois

We're with you, doll – all the way!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I must compliment you on your very GREAT comic magazine. 'The Fantastic Four.' It is by far the best I have ever seen (and I read almost all of them.) If this letter, or part of it, gets printed on your fan page, perhaps some of your critics will think that one such as I, who indulges in reading so- called 'light' material is a person of rather low intelligence. (Comic readers are held somewhat in scorn in some literary circles, you know.) I would like to say on my own behalf, that I do hold a completed college degree and that I also read other matter than comic magazines. I would like to say in your behalf that the entire magazine is worth all the praise it gets and even more, as the artwork, stories, and characters are of high quality.

Marya Rice
General Delivery
Main P.O.
Elizabeth, New Jersey

You're giving us such swelled heads, kid, that we may not sell any more copies of the FF to anyone unless they produce a diploma first!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I've tried putting off buying one or more titles, but in the first place, I can resist anything but temptation, and besides, I'm a collector and I'm mortally afraid of passing up anything for fear of its being sold out. Thor (Journey Into Mystery, #89) was so-so. For Thor that's rpetty good, you know. Likewise the Ant-Man (Tales to Astonish, #41). The Human Torch (Strange Tales, #106) was pretty good, despite the fact that I kind of figured what the Torch was up to. The Fantastic Four, #12 – Really good. You'll have to go some to outdo this issue. Since the Hulk has been running regularly in his own book, he doesn’t seem so contrived as most of the antagonists the FF usually come up against. But I have to agree that Sue just doesn’t get her share of the action. Shame on you for neglecting the poor girl! The Amazing Spider-Man #1! Buddy, you've got a real winner there in my book. I hope the younger readers agree, because I want to see this one every month! At least once!! And again, I'd like to plead with you to let Kirby loose – just once – give him lots of time and let him ink his own pencils. His tremendous talent manages to shine through anyway, but it's nothing compared to what he could do!

Phil Castora
Room 435, Russ Hotel
517-523 S. San Julianv Los Angeles, California

Let Kirby ink his own pencils?? Phil, we're trying to make sure he gets enough time just to PENCIL them!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      I'm puzzled. When my parents were reading FF #11, they came to the pin-up of Sub-Mariner and declared that Prince Namor was in comics before the Fantastic Four. Perhaps you know something about this, and if you do, please give me the low-down.

Bill DeAndrew
56 Poningo St.
Port Chester, N.Y.

They're right, Bill! Years ago, in the Golden Age of Comics he was one of our biggest stars, and judging by the tremendous response we've had to his appearances, he well may be again!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Don't ever let anyone tell you that the FF are too impossible to exist really – or even in a comic. Every girl appears a little faint at times. And any teen-ager gets a little fired up, just as a grown man lets the best in himself come out. Needless to say, a scientist must stretch a few points every now and then. So what's wrong if guys like Sue, Johnny, Ben and Reed do this in comics? It just proves that the FANTASTIC FOUR are a more believable group of super-heroes.

George Kitchen
1937 W. Pratt St.
Baltimore 23, Maryland

Pretty clever, George! We KNOW the F.F. exist! (At least, to US they do!) But the ones we're not sure about our READERS! We sometimes wonder if YOU guys and gals are for real!

Dear Stan and Jack:
      I have been a fan of your since the very first issue of the FF. I must admit that it has got something no other comic mag on the market has got. It has got a certain quality to it. Quality that has not been marred by the addition of ridiculous newcomers. Apparently you are the only current mag on the market that can refuse to cheapen their characters with Johnny-come lately's. I would like to say something about the so-called controversy over the Thing. In my opinion, the Thing is a part of your magazine that you cannot afford to do without. The personality you have provided him with is unique. The reason he is so essential is that he typifies the normal human being. He is not so perfect that he does not get mad and blow his top once in a while. I am saying this because in the recent issue #12, FF Meets the Hulk, I read some rather startling comments from Fred Bronson who wants to do away with the Thing. I just have one thing to say to Mr. Bronson. If he cannot stomach the conduct of the Thing, I suggest he watch 'Ding Dong School' every day on T.V. That way he would not have to put up with the dreadful language and ghastly conduct that has made the Thing an indispensable part of this superior comic magazine. Without the Thing, this magazine would be fairly easy to resist. As it is, it is practically impossible.

Gregg Smith
9543 Poole St.
La Jolla, California

Thanks, Gregg! We'll send DING DONG SCHOOL a bill for the plug tomorrow!

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Since I am stating my personal wants (at the risk of making this sound like a letter to Santa Claus) I would rejoice at the sight of a mag which contains your super-heroes in single action (a good place for the Thing to meet the Yancy Street Gang), team-action (it would be interesting to see Ant-Man and Mr. Fantastic in conflict with The Chameleon and Paste-Pot Pete), and an occasional just plain science fiction story. You could also use this mag as a sounding board for your new super-heroes. Please put a letter column in Tales to Astonish, Strange Tales, Journey Into Mystery, and Tales of Suspense, or better yet, give Ant-Man, Thor, and possibly later Iron-Man their own magazines. Iron-Man has good potential, provided you do not give him too many transistorized gadgets. Perhaps a villain could find or steal one of his super-magnets and use it against him. There are almost unlimited possibilities provided he is not made too invulnerable. The Fantastic Four has always been my favorite mag. The art work in ish #13 was below par, although the plot was fairly good. I agree with Fredric Johnson in that he copter, pogo-plane and rocket should be used more. I doubt that you will get any more "flying bathtubs" complaints about the fantasticar, although I don’t think Johnny modified it; instead, he built it anew. Now that you've modified it so greatly, for heaven's sake, don't be afraid to use it. The Red Ghost should return about issue #25. Perhaps he could team up with some of your other villains to battle the FF. I like the idea of teaming up two villains, especially when the villains are extremely different. I would enjoy seeing the Submariner in one or two stories as a complete hero. Thor is a very good character. He is best in combat against a super-villain, or at times, Loki. Loki is a good opponent, but don’t use him every third issue. I like the idea of Odin saving Thor occasionally. Don't give Thor too many powers as this has ruined many a super hero. The powers displayed while combating the Stone Men and the Executioner are very good and they should not be multiplied. Spider- Man is an excellent hero although Steve's art work was a great deal better in Amazing Fantasy. Steve's drawing of the FF was horrid. (If someone slits my throat, we have a suspect.) Spider-Man should clear his name and keep himself out of the limelight. For the sake of fandom, don’t make him into another Hulk in the sense that he becomes public enemy #1. I guess I've covered about everything in this letter. Good luck and keep up the good work. Yours til Dr. Doom rules the world…

Tom Dietz
141 E. Elm St.
Kent, Ohio

If you think that this is a long letter, you should see what we didn’t print. Sure you wouldn’t like to have two pages of story, and twenty of fan letters?

Dear Stan and Jack:

      Boy, is my head spinning! Why, you ask? Well, over a year ago, you published the spectacular #1 issue of the FF. I thought you could never come out with any more of these unbelievable characters. Then you kept right on going strong and created the Mighty Thor, and at the same time, the Spider- Man. I could have done cartwheels. I tried to sit down for a breather, but you came out with the Astonishing Ant-Man and Iron-Man. Please don’t create any more for a while or I'll have a nervous break-down. Here's hoping the FF, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Thor and Iron Man are published till my dying day – which I hope will be a long time from now.

David Singer
99 Herald St.
Rochester 21, N.Y.

Gosh, we haven't the heart to tell you about SGT. FURY AND THE HOWLING COMMANDOS, or about – but we'll leave that till next time!

  • Don't miss STRANGE TALES, #110 July, on sale the beginning of April. Besides the usual HUMAN TORCH feature thriller, you will find the first of a new series featuring a new and different type of super-hero! His name's DR. STRANGE, and we can't wait to find out how you like him!
  • Have you seen ANT-MAN'S beautiful new partner, THE WASP, in TALES TO ASTONISH yet?? We hear that SUE STORM is getting just a mite jealous – and when you see THE WASP, you'll soon see why!
  • Next issue of FF will again feature DR. DOOM, in a super-thriller with a different twist! The THING has an important part to play in it, and we have a hunch you fans will really dig some of the unusual gimmicks and action! So, as we always say, do the smart thing – reserve your copy at your dealer's NOW!
  • Thanks to all you fans who've written to congratulate us on our new MARVEL COMICS GROUP name and cover trade mark. We're glad you like it, and promise to do our best to make sure that both you and we can be justly proud of it! That's it for now – see you next ish with the usual collection of thrills, spills and chills!

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