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1186: Amazing Spider-Man #85 (v1)

" And now...the Secret of the Schemer! "
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Amazing Spider-Man #85 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: John Romita Sr.
Writers: Stan Lee
Pencilers: John Romita Sr., John Buscema
Inkers: Jim Mooney
Letterers: Sam Rosen
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: June 1970
Release Date: March 1970
Story Arc: The Schemer! (3 of 3)
Pages: 20
Cover Price: $0.15
Times Read: 428                 Times Rated: 243
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Amazing Spider-Man #83 (v1)
Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1)
Amazing Spider-Man #85 (v1)
Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1)
Amazing Spider-Man #87 (v1)
1184: Amazing Spi...
#83 (v1)
1185: Amazing Spi...
#84 (v1)
1187: Amazing Spi...
#86 (v1)
1188: Amazing Spi...
#87 (v1)
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Issue Blurb
Spider-Man finds himself in the middle of an underworld battle as the Schemer and the Kingpin continue to battle for turf. In his personal life, Peter must also contend with George Stacy's suspicions about Parker's whereabouts whenever Spider-Man appears.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
Spider-Man last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). Spider-Man next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1).
Supporting Characters
  Gwen Stacy
Gwen Stacy last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). Gwen Stacy next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1).
  George Stacy
George Stacy last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). George Stacy next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1).
  Vanessa Fisk
Vanessa Fisk last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). Vanessa Fisk next appears in Captain America #147 (v1).
  The Kingpin
The Kingpin last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). The Kingpin next appears in Captain America #146 (v1).
  The Schemer
The Schemer last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). The Schemer next appears in Captain America #145 (v1).
Equipment, Items & Vehicles
Spidey Signal
Spidey Signal last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #74 (v1). Spidey Signal next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #91 (v1).
Web-Shooters last appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1). Web-Shooters next appears in Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1).
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Issue Review
   November 15, 2016
I am starting to change the dates again back to a realistic sense of what I am reading. No real sense of trying to keep up with two years ago, really. But I am sort of back on task with the assignments. See as we roll.
The comic was okay. Bogged down in a lot of melodramatic chatter between characters. Especially in a Spider-Man comic, I normally expect a much greater adherence to the roundness of characters. This one, however, fell back to a bunch of white and black hats on opposite sides of the fence. Especially in this book - where it could really develop the multiple sides of the issue, it really dropped the ball.
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  Kez Says:    
  2011-11-16 09:32:50  
  Man, multi-part stories are just so much more in-depth than the single issue ones. In some of the issues around this time they're talking about promising to limit the multi-part issues as much as possible. So annoying!

I can understand why at the time it made sense for the issues to be self-contained, cause it would have been hard for people to read them all in order, but reading them one after the other like this it makes such a huge difference.

  instantdeath999 Says:    
  2013-02-09 15:47:40  
  I genuinely didn't see that twist coming. Good show, Stan. I like that Gwen and her father seem to be getting closer to figuring out Peter's secret identify... I hope that's not a fakeout. It's past time for someone to learn about it.  

  MrRsBB Says:    
  2013-06-17 00:57:45  
  Art-wise this team is pretty much the best. The story reveal is the worst in comics, on par with all of 1970 so far. The script is unnecessarily dramatic at times.(4-)  

  leisch Says:    
  2013-08-27 10:51:11  
  Nice, i knew the Kingpin family was really messed up , but didn't realize that all of the tangle started in this storyline, so I was surprised.
Peter coming up with an excuse to leave everytime Capt. Stacy brings up Spider-man isn't going to do anything but make him more curious.

  Robareid Says:    
  2014-02-01 11:20:36  
  I realized who it was going to be, but only in about page two of this one, so had me in suspense for a good while. Enjoyable arc all in all, and the Stacy's getting closer and closer is very intriguing.  

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2014-11-12 12:01:09  
  I knew it! This paints the series in so many different directions now. Gwen and her father are bound to figure out Pete's identity soon.  

  Anonymous Says:    
  2014-12-09 17:17:50  
  How is it that Spiderman comics are so good when most of the others are trash right now? (right now as in when this was released)  

  duncanm Says:    
  2014-12-16 01:00:01  
  Yeah, saw that reveal coming...but wasn't expecting it to be a mask. Must have been a hell of a mask. But doesn't the Kingpin still have a warrant out for him, which was why he was gone into hiding until this storyline? Maybe call the cops Pete?
And I'm sorry but that was the dumbest way to get rid of the Stacys. Parker leaves room, and all of a sudden Spider-Man enters. And there was no reason to change into Spidey at all. Why couldn't Peter have just sat there and said "I have a deal with Spider-Man. He clues me in on the locations, and I cut him in on the money." Tells the same lie, but without making Spider-Man look evil, and giving the Stacys a reason to pry further.

  specialque Says:    
  2014-12-31 09:31:27  
  Never thought I'd feel bad for the Kingpin.  

  j52y @ duncanm (original post):    
  2015-01-11 13:00:26  
  I think Peter kinda panicked, and that's why he made the lie so extravagant.  

  jwerth Says:    
  2015-03-18 22:05:04  
  I thought this "secret" was really obvious last issue already, from Vanessa Fisk's reaction. But still a much better story than anything else at the time.

This makes the Kingpin the first significant villain with actual, current family ties, doesn't it? That's a good step forward.

  Locust75 Says:    
  2015-12-03 20:48:57  
  3 stars for Dr. Evil and his son Scott burying the hatchet!!!

Inner Circle - I still think it would've been cool if Capt. Stacy and Robbie knew that Peter was Spidey!!

Duster - With all the gadgets in the Schemer's cape; I'm surprised that Stan didn't name him the Wind Breaker...

Hazy - Spidey mentions the smoke dulling his spider sense, but I've could have swore that it hasn't before!??

Dullard - Spidey was a little slow in figuring out something was off at the "precinct", and also his spider sense as well...

Pit Boss - Is that a midget mobster with an eye patch!!?? (p18,p2)

Dynasty - @jwerth: What about Norman & Harry Osborn?

'Nuff Said - "A sword-like rod---"-Spidey

  Katryn Says:    
  2016-12-01 05:04:26  
  I've been waiting to make this joke for the past couple of issues - the Schemer is a Dick!  

  Russ Says:    
  2017-01-09 20:00:13  
  Well, the Schemer's scheme to really throw the Kingpin for a loop actually worked. I think we all knew by the end of issue #83 who the Schemer was, but the reveal itself here was still handled pretty well. Who knew the Kingpin was such a family man?

I'm also liking this new subplot with the Stacys getting dangerously close to Peter's dirty little secret. I bet George has already figured it out; he's just trying to sweat it out of Peter so he can hear it for himself. He's a cop; he can piece things together, and he's also probably a master interrogator. I think this should be allowed to stand; Peter has one enemy who knows (although a messed up head prevents him from remembering most of the time), so why not have at least one friend who knows? George can keep the secret from Gwen; plus, having an ally in the know seems to be working for Tony Stark with Happy Hogan.

4 stars. Fantastic story arc in the "no story arc" era.

  Johnny Darkness Says:    
  2017-01-15 06:29:36  
  I believe Peter secretly likes having drama in his life. Look at how he himself perpetuates the myth of Spider Man being a menace!  

  skabeaters Says:    
  2017-03-31 04:04:57  
  Saw it coming last ish.  

  dadoodoflow Says:    
  2017-04-10 22:54:22  
  @Locust75 Mysterio's smoke hinders Spidey sense

@Katryn not just that, he's a Dick Fisk!

Thematically I wish Robbie and his son made an appearance and JJJ and his son. Peter has pseudo-dads everywhere, plus he is an orphan, plus he is responsible for the death of his adoptive father...he just oozes filial anxiety by just appearing. Stan would have made the parallels as subtle as Thor ringing a dinner bell with Mjolnir, but it would have made a nice structure.

Now Playing - "Cat's in the Cradle" Harry Chapin

  benmason486 Says:    
  2017-08-24 14:56:34  
  Fun story. I'm pretty sure that Capt. Stacy knows who Peter is at this point.

No one is truly dead until we see the body.

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Essential Amazing Spider-Man, Volume 4
This collection includesAmazing Spider-Man #66 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #67 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #68 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #69 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #70 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #71 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #72 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #73 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #74 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #75 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #76 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #77 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #78 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #79 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #80 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #81 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #82 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #83 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #84 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #85 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #86 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #87 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #88 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man #89 (v1), Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5, Spectacular Spider-Man Magazine #2
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   February 5, 2018 TStarnes Added Web-Shooters listing.
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