Watch the video when you get a chance. Its pretty funny.

Yeah Starnes, I would personally usually rather scan some text than watch a vid, so I alt/doubled your post with a wiki link for my fellow non-visual learners.

[quote="Reed Richards"]Kinda tied up in our OT-ness here, cross posting, but feel compelled to expand on Hollywood executive meddling by jerks who just don't 'get it'. A lot of this I chopped up from wiki, I'm a little lagged to properly attribute.[/quote]

Most of the stuff on Peters comes from the Kevin Smith statments in the video I posted a link to. Someone put a lot of that in wikipedia, some of it verbatim.

O M F G

Is that nick cage?

I hate superman, find the concept really boring, but I don't want the films to fail as that affects the industry as a whole. That's awful!

Back on topic - Thor 2 will be next.

Kinda tied up in our OT-ness here, cross posting, but feel compelled to expand on Hollywood executive meddling by jerks who just don't 'get it'. A lot of this I chopped up from wiki, I'm a little lagged to properly attribute.

This doofus, Jon Peters, who was originally a hairdresser who dated Barbra Streisand (claim to fame wig design), wanted to radically alter Supe's costume (unsubstantiated quote he said it looked "faggy"), not let him fly and make him fight a giant mechanical spider. These are the people making key decisions behind the scenes of film productions. The guy wanted 'Lex Luthor to have a space dog, because "Chewie's [Chewbacca] cuddly, man. You could make a toy out of him, so you've got to give me a dog."' The guy also wanted to cast Sean Penn for the role of Supes, based on his performance as a violent death row inmate in Dead Man Walking saying that Penn had the eyes of a "caged animal, a fucking killer".

From wiki: Art designer Sylvain Despretz claimed the art department was assigned to create something that had little or nothing to do with the Superman comic book, and also explained that Peters "would bring kids in, who would rate the drawings on the wall as if they were evaluating the toy possibilities. It was basically a toy show!"See link below for more.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Peters#Peters_and_Superman[/url]

More from wikipedia, hacked up by me:
Aspiring screenwriter/comic book fan Alex Ford was able to have a script of his (titled Superman: The Man of Steel) accepted at the studio's offices. On the experience, Ford quoted, "I can tell you they don't know much about comics. Their audience isn't you and me who pay $7.00. It's for the parents who spend $60 on toys and lunchboxes. It is a business, and what's more important, the $150 million at the box office or the $600 million in merchandising?

That's a lot to take in, sum it up for us, Reed. Okay, money and lunchboxes. Egotistical hairdressers who don't know Superman from Terminator calling the shots.

Just be glad some things never get to the screen.
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Thank god some comic book films are being made by marvel then. 5 films, all grossing double their production cost and the latest set to be the third most successful of all time (currently 6th I think).

Doesn't take a genius to notice that trend. :)

That's why fox and universal are still banging their head against the wall making second rate knock offs with Toby McGuire (ok he's gone now at least). It says it all when spiderman and the xmen are my favourite characters (and frankly I hate captain America) and Ive only seen x3 once and can't even watch spiderman 3 all the way through, yet I've seen cap America 4 times now... (admittedly he's not as much of an arogant jerk in the films as I remember him in the comics)

Comic movies get messed up b/c the people creating them are Hollywood, not familiar with the source material. On the face of it, many many ideas are dumb. Batman, the concept and character as developed over the decades, is cool. The concept of a millionaire playboy dressing up like a bat to fight crime? That just sounds stupid on the face of it. So the Hollywood types generally make a mess of things because they don't get it, can't be bothered to get it, or think that they can improve on a 50 year old idea. Arrogance, greed, all those human failings.

[quote="tstarnes"]Also, you know they are banking on the Avengers carrying some of the added audience back to the solo films.[/quote]

If it doesn't then they are either marketing it wrong, or the films are just ****.

With 50 years of back stories if they end up with a **** script then they must have hired the same people dc did in the 90s to write batman and cat woman. Still to this day don't know how batman was so messed up...

Also, you know they are banking on the Avengers carrying some of the added audience back to the solo films.

Fair enough, didn't realise it was a one way street like that. I just though berry turned up at the razzies because she was a no-talent hack who craves attention and enjoys being really god awful in superhero films.

I still thnk they will make those other films before the next avengers one. Until the other franchises revert to them they are pretty much stuck with this group of chracters and financially it wouldn't make any sense to blow their entire cash cow by skipping the individual films and rushing through the team ups.

Realistically they have been talking about 2-3 films a year maximum (probably all the studio can handle considering the cross over of staff and cast...). So with this group of characters what have they got left before it gets stale for the general public (I say general public because I'd pay to see captain America 33 and avengers 57!).

Iron man 3 possibly 4
Captain America 2 possibly 3
Thor 2 and 3
Avengers 2 and 3
Another hulk? Ruffalo deserves it
+ maybe a widow, shield, fury film (less likely if captain America is more of cap+ shield as hinted by some sources)

Thor and cap were the biggest two non sequel grossing films last year, people forget that they were successful in their own right, just pales in comparison to rdj's draw and the team up that is the avengers. But marketed right (something Disney always does, if you ignore mr carter from mars...) their sequels should get a massive boost from the avengers and I wouldn't be surprised if they both passed the 1/2billion mark (cap will always suffer outside America with some anti American sentiment, they're best sticking to the 'first avenger' tag.)