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Reed Richards wrote: Maybe he would've got really good eyesight genes from Hawkeye, but without his dad there to teach him bowmanship, he'd just be another gamma clone. I should have quoted you with the other post. Without knowing more its all speculation anyway.
[quote="Reed Richards"]Maybe he would've got really good eyesight genes from Hawkeye, but without his dad there to teach him bowmanship, he'd just be another gamma clone. [/quote]
I should have quoted you with the other post. Without knowing more its all speculation anyway.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 10:12 pm |
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Nobody said he didn't. I don't think anyone's read this except the thread starter.
Nobody said he didn't. I don't think anyone's read this except the thread starter.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 10:08 pm |
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Who is to say that his dad didn't have time to train for a few years?
Who is to say that his dad didn't have time to train for a few years?
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 9:54 pm |
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All good points. I was just saying he would have gotten something from his pops...perhaps the nurture of training at least.
All good points. I was just saying he would have gotten something from his pops...perhaps the nurture of training at least.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 9:37 pm |
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Nature vs nurture is still very much up in the air, especially on intelligence, which we still don't have great means to quantify. Even with progeny of athletes and their elite athleticism, how much is genetics vs growing up in the right environment with access to enhanced training resources?
I submit that this random ass, one off character who has officially now received more discussion here than probably Marvel creative and editorial gave him when they made him up, could only have inherited good human athleticism from Clint Sr, which would have been subsumed by his gamma momma's contribution. Maybe he would've got really good eyesight genes from Hawkeye, but without his dad there to teach him bowmanship, he'd just be another gamma clone. You don't inherit bow skills. Read about how the English used to train their archers from youth, with constant state mandated practice. This is why even primitive firearms beat longbows. You can pick up a gun and blast someone pretty easy, Americans especially, you know this. But if you were just handed a recursive longbow, you wouldn't even be able to draw it and you'd probably whack the shit out of your forearm for weeks while you figured it out. Thanks Boy Scouts for my archery merit badge.
Nature vs nurture is still very much up in the air, especially on intelligence, which we still don't have great means to quantify. Even with progeny of athletes and their elite athleticism, how much is genetics vs growing up in the right environment with access to enhanced training resources?
I submit that this random ass, one off character who has officially now received more discussion here than probably Marvel creative and editorial gave him when they made him up, could only have inherited good human athleticism from Clint Sr, which would have been subsumed by his gamma momma's contribution. Maybe he would've got really good eyesight genes from Hawkeye, but without his dad there to teach him bowmanship, he'd just be another gamma clone. You don't inherit bow skills. Read about how the English used to train their archers from youth, with constant state mandated practice. This is why even primitive firearms beat longbows. You can pick up a gun and blast someone pretty easy, Americans especially, you know this. But if you were just handed a recursive longbow, you wouldn't even be able to draw it and you'd probably whack the shit out of your forearm for weeks while you figured it out. Thanks Boy Scouts for my archery merit badge.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 9:19 pm |
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I think there is something to be said for people with exceptional skill, Olympic athletes often have kids who posses high levels of athletic skills. The gifted often have smart kids.
Etc etc.
I think there is something to be said for people with exceptional skill, Olympic athletes often have kids who posses high levels of athletic skills. The gifted often have smart kids.
Etc etc.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 8:25 pm |
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Point of order: Hawkeye is just a regular dude who is really good at shooting arrows. Also give him some bonus points for 'combat training with Captain America', but just a normal human. Strength level: Hawkeye possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build, who engages in intensive regular exercise. Known Superhuman Powers: None. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hawkeye.htm
Point of order: Hawkeye is just a regular dude who is really good at shooting arrows. Also give him some bonus points for 'combat training with Captain America', but just a normal human.
Strength level: Hawkeye possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build, who engages in intensive regular exercise.
Known Superhuman Powers: None.
[url]http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hawkeye.htm[/url]
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 8:16 pm |
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You think green_flame? Skills - are you talking Hawkeye or Mustang? I would agree that Hawkeye has skills - that would be a good way to put it. I do think he has powers too though.
You think green_flame? Skills - are you talking Hawkeye or Mustang? I would agree that Hawkeye has skills - that would be a good way to put it. I do think he has powers too though.
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Posted: May 14th, 2012, 7:52 pm |
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It might be more accurate to say he doesn't have powers but he does have skills.
It might be more accurate to say he doesn't have powers but he does have skills.
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Posted: May 13th, 2012, 8:51 pm |
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Crap, should have specified where I read it from --- past tense... Hawkeye doesn't have any superhuman powers, but he has powers (or so I interpreted it that way). I thought it was cool - stopping war, making babies, babies grow into teens and fight too. A big of circle of villains/heroes and fighting.
Next time I'll state where the characters are from, to save on the research!
Crap, should have specified where I read it from --- past tense... Hawkeye doesn't have any superhuman powers, but he has powers (or so I interpreted it that way). I thought it was cool - stopping war, making babies, babies grow into teens and fight too. A big of circle of villains/heroes and fighting.
Next time I'll state where the characters are from, to save on the research!
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Posted: May 13th, 2012, 6:56 pm |
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