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zweineuf wrote: I think that the reason Pym has been a lasting character is his 'flawed hero' quality - always struggling with self-confidence and self-control. This defines him much more than his powers or his many super alter-egos. Totally agree with this. Pym is so boring and two-dimensional until he starts to go a bit loopy. Even when the early signs manifest in the late 60s it's pretty well done.
[quote="zweineuf"]I think that the reason Pym has been a lasting character is his 'flawed hero' quality - always struggling with self-confidence and self-control. This defines him much more than his powers or his many super alter-egos.[/quote]
Totally agree with this. Pym is so boring and two-dimensional until he starts to go a bit loopy. Even when the early signs manifest in the late 60s it's pretty well done.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 6:52 pm |
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I agree, I really only meant the TTA Ant-Man; Lee never really took good advantage of the shrinking power. Or the insect-control power. Or the full-size strength at ant size power. And the catapult is pretty ridiculous. At least once Jan shows up they start to develop Pym's personality a little bit. In the pre-Wasp issues Pym has no apparant motive or discernable personality. I think that the reason Pym has been a lasting character is his 'flawed hero' quality - always struggling with self-confidence and self-control. This defines him much more than his powers or his many super alter-egos.
I agree, I really only meant the TTA Ant-Man; Lee never really took good advantage of the shrinking power. Or the insect-control power. Or the full-size strength at ant size power. And the catapult is pretty ridiculous. At least once Jan shows up they start to develop Pym's personality a little bit. In the pre-Wasp issues Pym has no apparant motive or discernable personality. I think that the reason Pym has been a lasting character is his 'flawed hero' quality - always struggling with self-confidence and self-control. This defines him much more than his powers or his many super alter-egos.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 3:52 pm |
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I can see usefulness in shrinking, but now that I think about it, taking a cab and then shrinking would making a lot more sense than that stupid little catapult. haha
I can see usefulness in shrinking, but now that I think about it, taking a cab and then shrinking would making a lot more sense than that stupid little catapult. haha
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 2:31 pm |
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I think there are very few of us who would use Ant Man or Invisible Girl's powers for anything other than "evil." I know I'd use 'em that way.
I think there are very few of us who would use Ant Man or Invisible Girl's powers for anything other than "evil." I know I'd use 'em that way.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 2:28 pm |
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Irredeemable Ant-Man was cool because he knew it was good for one thing: sneaking into women's locker rooms. 
Irredeemable Ant-Man was cool because he knew it was good for one thing: sneaking into women's locker rooms. :)
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 1:48 pm |
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I do agree with your points, but I don't think shrinking is a bad power. I just think it's poorly implemented in the Ant-Man comics.
I haven't really read much of new Ant-Man stuff, but the fact that it's still going says something. As I understand it, Irredeemable Ant-Man was pretty cool.
Also, the stuff I've read of Atom in DC comics made him seem really badass.
I do agree with your points, but I don't think shrinking is a bad power. I just think it's poorly implemented in the Ant-Man comics.
I haven't really read much of new Ant-Man stuff, but the fact that it's still going says something. As I understand it, Irredeemable Ant-Man was pretty cool.
Also, the stuff I've read of Atom in DC comics made him seem really badass.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 1:35 pm |
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Can't argue with any of that.
Can't argue with any of that.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 10:42 am |
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The thing that really bugs me in the Tales to Astonish Ant-Man stories is how Pym never thinks outside the box ... if I was Pym and some weak old man like Egghead had me cornered in some lab and was threatening me with an ant-eater, I'd just revert to normal size and punch him. Pym is pretty ripped the way Don Heck draws him, he could probably take most of the lame villains they throw at him if he just never shrunk to Ant-Man size in the first place.
And that's why he has super strength as Giant Man: he's absolutely ridiculous as Ant-Man.
The thing that really bugs me in the Tales to Astonish Ant-Man stories is how Pym never thinks outside the box ... if I was Pym and some weak old man like Egghead had me cornered in some lab and was threatening me with an ant-eater, I'd just revert to normal size and punch him. Pym is pretty ripped the way Don Heck draws him, he could probably take most of the lame villains they throw at him if he just never shrunk to Ant-Man size in the first place.
And that's why he has super strength as Giant Man: he's absolutely ridiculous as Ant-Man.
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Posted: November 26th, 2011, 3:16 am |
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Yeah, I thought of that after I posted, but I stand by it because I'm a smart ass. haha Just kidding man.
Yeah, I thought of that after I posted, but I stand by it because I'm a smart ass. haha Just kidding man.
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Posted: November 25th, 2011, 10:49 pm |
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I think he meant Quart.
I think he meant Quart.
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Posted: November 25th, 2011, 10:11 pm |
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