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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 4:30 pm 
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Sounds like a girl I dated.

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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 4:31 pm 
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You dated a girl that sounds like a Gallagher? My deepest sympathies.

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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 4:58 pm 
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Reed Richards wrote:
Ah hem. I feel I'm gonna have to say that to you a lot, new friend Maidel
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Ah hem? Surely its Ahem?

Sorry couldnt resist :)

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My complaints you may feel free to confine to American English. You may feel free to confine them to early 21st century American English. Slice it however you want. Anybody who wants to give passes to people who can't speak and/or write 'correctly' is part of the problem. Language evolves, but it has rules. If in 20 years we use apostrophes to denote pluralization, and this is one of my biggest pet peeves,


Now thats definately something limited to america, in england its actually more likely to be the other way around, people leaving off the apostrophe when declaring ownership, than adding one. To me thats plain odd because is more effort rather than less effort (which blows my theory that it evolves to be simpler out of the water...)

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And, hey, your initial sense was right. HAHAHAs and 'all you yanks sound dumb to me, even if you went to Harvard' (obvious paraphrase) do come off condescending and dickish, even if you do throw a proverbial no offense out there.


Oh god that wasnt what I said, or even implied in any shape or form, appologies if thats how you read it. What I meant was that no matter how well spoken (Written) you are, I will always read spelling mistakes, where there are in fact none from your perspective, and the same is probably true in reverse.

When you see 'colour' what do you think? (genuine question here, not a trick one). When I see 'color' I actually read the word differently in my head which is to do with how you pronounce it. In my head I read 'colour' as 'cull-er' whereas I read 'color' as 'kol-or'.

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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 5:06 pm 
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Isn't that just colloquisum though? Structurally, Ent both versions of English the same?

I am curious, if you encounter English fro other part of the isles, is there variation? I know we have a bunch across the continent. That makes me discount colloquial difference because we at least don't hold what is "direct" across the country, let alone Behrens countries.

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I think there is more similarities to British and America English then not. Most of the differences seem to be colloquial in nature rather structurely. While we use different words for the same ideas, the sentence structure remains the same.


True, sentance structure is the same, which is how I can speak easily to you, however the usage of language is vastly more different than people realise.

On the surface you (appologies for the use of 'you' or 'them' its much easier than writing out 'american people' over and over) have words that mean the same thing - like truck and lorry. This isnt an issue, both words are used in england and both have the same meaning, although we tend to use 'truck' for huge artics and lorry for the smaller non-articulated ones.

You then have numerous words that mean utterly different things - like pants and trousers. Pants are underwear, thus is the subject of great hilarity given the context in which it is often used. And dont get me started on 'fanny'. Dear me my Nan nearly sprayed her tea across the room the first time she heard the phrase 'fanny packs' on an american kids program.

Finally you have a completely different tone in the way the language is used. In an all british forum you will have outright insults written in such a way that no one would take it as an insult, whereas in mixed forums you will see british people constantly appologising for misconstrued sarcasm, or completely innocent comments that crossed some boundary that british people wouldnt have even realised existed.

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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 5:09 pm 
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Nah, no beef, and like I said, you know the rules so you can break them to effect. My ah hem usage is for emphasis. I don't tweak at localization spelling. I thought of that as I continue to use z in localization whereas you would prbly use an s, correct? Armor/Armour, color/colour, these are the kind of little things I can agree we don't need to waste time on. My brain sees both as equally valid.

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PostPosted: May 21st, 2012, 5:13 pm 
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tstarnes wrote:
Isn't that just colloquisum though? Structurally, Ent both versions of English the same?

I am curious, if you encounter English fro other part of the isles, is there variation? I know we have a bunch across the continent. That makes me discount colloquial difference because we at least don't hold what is "direct" across the country, let alone Behrens countries.


In written English? No, there is little to no difference across the UK including scotland and ireland. Spoken? Massive differences, and whats even weirder there are enormous differences between groups of people less than 50 miles appart. (hell theres a huge difference between cockney and west london and they are less than 12 miles appart).

I genuninely cannot understand people from glasgow or newcastle. My wife watches a program called Geordi shore (yes its a direct rip off of jersey shore) which is about a group of peopel from newcastle (god knows why people from newcastle are now geordies rather than novacastrians like they used to be). I need subtitles. This is from people you live perhaps 300 miles away which is less than most states are wide. However ignoring the fact that the people on that program are so badly educated it would surpise me if they can actually write, assuming one of the apes on that program actually learnt how to grasp a pen, when they wrote english they would write almost identically to me, the coloquialisms are all in spoken english, not written english.

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Reed Richards wrote:
Nah, no beef, and like I said, you know the rules so you can break them to effect. My ah hem usage is for emphasis. I don't tweak at localization spelling. I thought of that as I continue to use z in localization whereas you would prbly use an s, correct? Armor/Armour, color/colour, these are the kind of little things I can agree we don't need to waste time on. My brain sees both as equally valid.


Well actually the Z is an option in written english now. Certain words were always Z's and others were always S's and now both are equally correct (most likely because no one could actually agree which one came first.)

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A question... Do the Brothers Oasis represent normal Brittish enunciation? 'cause... Damn.


Oh dear sweet lord no.

They are from Manchester, its a part of the country that I could happily set adrift on a raft and other than losing a couple of decent football teams it would increase the general standard of education, decrease the level of teenage pregnancy and cut the crime rate in the north west in half.

Im from the south (very different to the US south) and in terms of spoken sound its closer to the sort of english spoken in american films, a fairly neutral bland accently english, but which im fairly certain americans would categorise as 'posh'.

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As a southernet, I have similar problems with southy Boston. The accent totally looses me.

Also some British English I find very melodic and beautiful actually, and others I can't tell if the words are made up or not.

What about written English from other parts of the commonwealth? Austraila? South African? Any experience with. Written exchanges from people from those countries? Are there similar problems, or is this a uniquily US change of the language? Perhaps be wise generally the US English branched with less influence and earlier then other British offshoot. I am guienuenly interested in the etimological differences.

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