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PostPosted: March 19th, 2012, 7:01 pm 
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I agree with what (I think) Fragsel is saying; that is, A) if a flashback is new storytelling info (either newly described events or new interpretation/context for previously described events) then it needs character appearances. This leads to B) these flashback character appearances must be listed on the character's appearances list, because if someone is using that list to only read stuff that happened with that character, they could lose important information through the lack of their flashback appearances.

If feasible, some kind of [FLASHBACK] tag would be helpful, both for clarity and just in case there is a reader who for whatever reason doesn't want to read flashback appearances, they can easily skip them. Similarly, a tag to indicate when a character is masquerading as another character could be helpful.

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PostPosted: March 20th, 2012, 1:58 am 
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zweineuf wrote:
I agree with what (I think) Fragsel is saying; that is, A) if a flashback is new storytelling info (either newly described events or new interpretation/context for previously described events) then it needs character appearances. This leads to B) these flashback character appearances must be listed on the character's appearances list, because if someone is using that list to only read stuff that happened with that character, they could lose important information through the lack of their flashback appearances.

It's not the first time when You understood me perfectly. Thanks. :D

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could you list them as flashback only appearances and have them not count for the order of the character?

Imeco: personal question: What are You going to do with that info? Will You skip those appearances? I just want to understand why someone interested in character history is not interested in his past backstory (because all this discussion is about really important, revealing, flashbacks)

To follow up: I've just finished Daredevil 43 and it's the greatest example of what I mean (fate?). first 4 pages presents flashback. it's matt recalling how Karen left him between DD 42 & 43. Karen doesn't appear outside of that flashback, so if she's not on the list, or she's tagged as flashback that part of her story is missed. I know I know:

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Please let me know when you find someone who's only interested in reading appearances of Changeling. He sounds like an odd cat.


But this time I can imagine someone who don't like DD but love Ghost Rider, and Karen is part of his story, so someone might be checking her.

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PostPosted: March 20th, 2012, 10:21 pm 
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tstarnes wrote:
Hmm, now we have a quandary. What Green and Fragsel were asking for was to have it count for the order of the character.


I was actually only referring to things such as Tales of Asgard and the Origin of the Inhumans, not flashback appearances in the middle of issues.


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There are some pretty important flashback issues. Sure tales of asgard might not be, but skipping those you would also skip the important ones.

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PostPosted: March 20th, 2012, 11:13 pm 
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tstarnes wrote:
There are some pretty important flashback issues. Sure tales of asgard might not be, but skipping those you would also skip the important ones.


I am not saying they are not important and I do not think they should be skipped. That being said, I also do not think they should be counted as the "next appearance" of a character. It just seems odd to have a story in Fantastic Four set in the present about Black Bolt and then you see the next appearance is in Thor but then you start reading that issue and it is a flashback.

Or, as is the case of Tales of Asgard and the Inhuman stories in Thor, if someone is coming into the middle of the order for some reason they may not realize that they are flashbacks.

I did notice that some of the recent Thor issues that I have read have a note that the 2nd story is a flashback, which will help some of the problems I mentioned, but there was some that I noticed that did not, and I do not recall any of the Tales of Asgard having that note. Also, as I mentioned in another thread, the first story of the Inhumans in Thor you listed all of the major Inhumans as appearing in that issue but the only appearance of them is a picture of them and they are not actually in the story.


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PostPosted: March 20th, 2012, 11:20 pm 
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When split off, the entire story should be indicated as a flashback by the red border around it (and it saying flashback). Sure it doesn't make sense from a chronological point of view, but this order was never meant to be straight chronological. I have always found the ones that stick to the chronological order to be hard to read.

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PostPosted: March 22nd, 2012, 12:12 am 
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fragsel wrote:
Here's another one for You (tales of suspense split that is):
1) Tales of Suspence 95 (captain America part) should be between Avengers 46 & 47 (captain decides to be just steve rogers, didn't tell avengers yet, which we know from his appearances in avengers mantion and his conversation with tony stark "How will the avengers take it when they convene?"). The rest (tales of suspence 96-99 - captain part) ahoul be after he left avengers in issue 47
2) Avengers annual 1 & avengers 45 can't be between tales of Suspense 94 &95. Tales of suspense 92-99 (iron Man story) shows one chain of events (iron Man vs titanium man, the same time jasper break into the factory, as soon as tony comes back they speak, iron man vs grey gargoyle, abduction, iron man vs whiplash) Because there is also Tony in Captain story in tales of suspence 95 (mentioned that above) that means Tales of suspense 92-99 (iron man story) should be moved after Tales of suspence (captain america story) 95, or even after captain america 100.


Took Some time, but all this is finally done.

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PostPosted: March 24th, 2012, 9:33 am 
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Amazing Spiderman Annual 5 (the one we disputed about flashback appearancess of his parents and Ben Parker) can't be between FF 78 & 79 because between those issues Thing was Ben Grimm and we can see him in his rock form in ASM annual 5. I was looking for a place to move spiderman (based on MJ haircut - only on the cover) but it looks pointless so I suggest moving FF 79 before ASM annual 5 (maybe even just after FF 78? it looks it would fit)

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2012, 11:46 pm 
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fragsel wrote:
I think I found something interesting:
http://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Rampage
"four part science fiction strip, 'Timesmasher', in issues #40-44. This little oddity (by Paul Neary and Mick Austin) concerned a time traveler from the future who crash landed in Scotland, and it contained a curious and mostly unnoticed tie-in to the Captain Britain strip relaunched in Marvel Superheroes, in that the time traveler was revealed in the end to have been 'knocked off course' after colliding with something in limbo-the 'something' proving to be Captain Britain (en route from Otherworld as seen in the Black Knight strip in Hulk Comic, and ultimately diverted by the collision to an alternate Earth in Marvel Superheroes #377)."

I've checked further and it appears that it's only in Rampage 40 & 42-44. Is it worth listing?


Just read through it. I can see how it connects, but I am not sure it really needs to be in. The collision has a place in the main universe, but if you didn't read this comic, would it be missed?

What does everyone else think? Should these three issues be in?

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PostPosted: March 26th, 2012, 8:38 am 
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I won't probably be great help (I would include everything remotely connected to main marvel, but I'm trying to restrain myslelf, so it's better now) but i can see that there might be a problem with gaining possession of those 4 issues. I've already checked possible options (in Europe that is) and i must say what i found isn't exactly cheap or easy accessible. I guess it would be more difficult for USA (or am I wrong? global village works?)
One way or another that little completist in me would say WAHOO! if they were in, but old realist would understand if it wasn't

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