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 Post subject: "Appendix" Order
PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 1:32 am 
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So it seems we're all agreed that the Marvel titles which take place in the 616 Universe but are not otherwise part of the order will later be included in an Appendix Order of some kind.

The thing that has always felt off about this to me is that such an order would represent one of the most unreadable reading lists ever compiled. As unlikely as it is for me to ever finish it, I really want to get through the whole CMRO. I can't say the same about an order which is comprised of eight million issues of Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid, and golden age Human Torch stories.

I've come up with what I feel is an elegant solution. Instead of keeping these issues fully segregated from the order in a separate list, include them sort of as footnotes to the order. Let me explain.
Say you're on issue 293 of the Order: Strange Tales #141 (February 1966). Somewhere on the page (e.g. in a separate tab, in an existing tab, in a table, etc) it says something like "Appendix Issues released February 1966: Rawhide Kid #50, Sgt Fury #27, Millie the Model #135, Modeling With Millie #45, Patsy and Hedy #104". Each issue would have a checkbox for users to mark them read.

These issues wouldn't be fully part of the order; no effort would be made to give them a number in the order or fit their arcs in to the mainstream order. Character appearances wouldn't be tracked or cross-referenced. It would simply be a way for users to track their reading progress with them if they want to. And I'm sure many will initially object to my inclusion of the romance books in the above example, but for a feature like this, there's really no reason not to be fully inclusive; it really doesn't hurt anybody who doesn't want to read them, and it just might help somebody who did (for whatever weird reason, I'm not judging :P). It would even be cool for users to be able to specify on their account page what appendix titles they want listed, so if they only wanted to see Sgt Fury, they could just see that, or if they only wanted to see westerns, they could just see that, etc.

I like this system because it satisfies the completionist in me by having everything listed at least just for reference purposes, without making a whole separate order that I'm sure would pretty much never be used.

A pre-FF#1 order (or at least just a checklist) would still be required; this solution would only really work for those issues concurrent with mainstream Marvel, but with the westerns, Sgt Fury, Captain Savage, and Conan the Barbarian, that represents a large chunk of the non-mainstream issues (and especially if you include Millie the Model and Patsy Walker [these characters both held multiple concurrent titles and had runs of hundreds of issues, and yet are virtually forgotten these days ... I know that at least Patsy Walker's stories are retconned to be in-universe fiction, but that still makes them a kind of canon, and their characters are referenced in the mainstream canon a handful of times]).

Also I would still be in favor of a full, separate appendix order for the Ultimate universe and the 2099 universe, since they're not 616 and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be really interested in reading them.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 6:55 am 
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I have no immediate objection to that, although I am not sure it will work. The main reason is, the issues that are in order from feb 1966 aren't all together. So do you list those books on every feb 1966 book? A better way to to put those books in order to, and attach them as "secondary reading". Its doable, I could even make it so you could check off those issues.

But, for that to work, I need some help. We would need to come up with a list of "in continuity" titles. I agree that rawhide kid and sgt fury should be listed, but I would want to stay with in continuity titles, and leave out as I really don't think those should be in (although you are right, patsy walker was pulled in continuity, and so an argument could be made for that.).

And would need someone to help put those issues in order, and say this group should be between here and here.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 11:37 am 
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I've been currently at the begining of 1969. I've been recording all in-continuity but non-order issues (but no western with the exception of Ghost Rider) with the places in order where i was reading them. i hope it can help You:

Yellow Claw [1956] 001-004 (before FF)
Tales To Astonish 027 [Ant Man] (before FF 1)
Sgt. Fury 001 (after JIM 092)
Sgt. Fury 002 (after JIM 094)
Sgt. Fury 003 (after FF Annual 001)
Sgt. Fury 004 (after ASM 007)
Sgt. Fury 005 (after FF 022)
Sgt. Fury 006 (after X-men 003)
Sgt. Fury 007 (after FF 027)
Sgt. Fury 008 (after Avengers 006)
Sgt. Fury 009 (after DD 003)
Sgt. Fury 010 (after JIM 108)
Sgt. Fury 011 (after FF 031)
Sgt. Fury 012 (after Sgt. Fury 011)
Sgt. Fury 013 (after JIM 113)
Sgt. Fury 014 (after Strange Tales 129)
Sgt. Fury 015 (after Sgt. Fury 014)
Sgt. Fury 016 (after ASM 022)
Sgt. Fury 017 (after Sgt. Fury 016)
Sgt. Fury 018 (after ASM 024)
Sgt. Fury 019 (after Avengers 017)
Sgt. Fury 020 (after Daredevil 009)
Sgt. Fury 021 (after ASM 028)
Sgt. Fury 022 (after Avengers 020)
Sgt. Fury Annual 001 (after Avengers 024)
Sgt. Fury 023 (after ASM 029)
Sgt. Fury 024 (after Thor 127)
Sgt. Fury 025 (after FF 050)
Sgt. Fury 026 (after ASM 033)
Sgt. Fury 027 (after DD 014)
Sgt. Fury 028 (after ASM 035)
Sgt. Fury 029 (after Sgt. Fury 028)
Sgt. Fury 030 (after X-Men 021)
Sgt. Fury 031 (after FF 051)
Sgt. Fury 032 (after Avengers 031)
Sgt. Fury King Size Special 002 (after FF 053)
Sgt. Fury 033-035 (after Avengers 033)
Sgt. Fury 036 (after ASM 038)
Sgt. Fury 037 (After ASM 041)
Sgt. Fury 038 (after FF 060)
Sgt. Fury 039 (after ASM 045)
Ghost Rider [1967] 001 (after DD 026)
Sgt. Fury 040 (after ASM 046)
Ghost Rider [1967] 002 (after FF 063)
Sgt. Fury 041 (after DD 027)
Sgt. Fury 042 (after ASM 049)
Sgt. Fury 043 (after DD 032)
Ghost Rider [1967] 003 (after Avengers 042)
Sgt. Fury 044 (after Avengers 044)
sgt. Fury Annual 003 (after FF 067)
Ghost Rider [1967] 004 (after Strange Tales 168)
Ghost Rider [1967] 005 (after Avengers 45)
Sgt. Fury 045 (after FF 072)
Sgt. Fury 046 (after ASM 052)
Sgt. Fury 047-048 (after ASM Annual 004)
Ghost Rider [1967] 006 (after DD Annual 001)
Ghost Rider [1967] 007 (after Thor 159)
Sgt. Fury 049-050 (after FF 073)
Capt. Savage 001 (after Sgt. Fury 050)
Sgt. Fury 051 (after Inc Hulk 102)
Capt. Savage 002-004 (after Iron Man 001)
Sgt. Fury 052 (after X-men 042)
Sgt. Fury 053 (after Captain Marvel 001)
Sgt. Fury 054 (after ASM 061)
Sgt. Fury 055 (after DD 041)
Sgt. Fury 056 (after Sub-Mariner 003)
Sgt. Fury Annual 004 (after Dr. Strange 170)
Sgt. Fury 057 (after FF 078)
Capt. Savage 005 (after Avengers 055)
Spectacular Spider-Man Magazine 001 (after Dr Strange 173)
Sgt. Fury 058 (after ASM 065)
Capt. Savage 006 (after X-men 048)
Sgt. Fury 059-061 (after Capt. Savage 006)
Capt. Savage 007 (after Captain Marvel 005)
Capt. Savage 008 (after Avengers 058)
Capt. Savage 009 (after Spectacular Spider-Man Magazine 002)
Capt. Savage 010 (after Iron-Man 008)
Sgt. Fury 062 (after Marvel Super-Heroes 018)
Sgt. Fury 063 (after Sub-Mariner 011)
Capt. Savage 011 (after Dr Strange 177)
Sgt. Fury 064 (after Capt. Savage 011)
Capt. Savage 012 (after Incred. Hulk 108)
Capt. Savage 013 (after Incred. Hulk 113)
Sgt. Fury 065 (after Avengers 062)

Oh, One more thing. There might be individual cases of some small errors connected to shifting issues which could take place after I've read them. Sorry about that if that happens.
Of course there will be more while rading on, so stay tuned.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 11:40 am 
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Great. I will start working on this, see if I can figure out a way for people to read in-continuity, non-order issues as part of the site.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 1:08 pm 
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I think that works, although I would be fine with simply having them listed on every book from that month (the checkbox would prevent people from going to read them twice).

The way that Fragsel has them is really good, it's just that that takes more work than simply listing them by publication date (although it looks like he's got a lot of the work done already), and by fitting them in between issues of the existing order, you might as well just include them in the order.
I think either way, if they're checkable but not fully included in the order, a master list would need to be accessible from somewhere on the main page as well.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 2:58 pm 
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I guess the fellows are holding you to the fact you've got the word "Complete" in the title of the site.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you've read 12-15 or so issues of Sgt. Fury, you've read 'em all. 4-5 westerns and you've read 'em all. The anthologies are a little more tolerable, but I'd say after 50 shorts, you'll start to see a lot of repetition. I've only read a couple of Conans--they seem to be far superior to the aforementioned genre books, but I need to read a few more before I pass judgment.

I like zweineuf's monthly publication idea, rather than sprinkling them throughout The Order--that might be a little confusing. Kudos to Fragsel, for his "Jonny on the Spot" work, though.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 3:05 pm 
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You don't think that if someone sees the same comic on different books (published at the same time but in different parts of the order) they will get confused?

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 7:21 pm 
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That's why they'd have a checkbox, so you'd know whether or not you already read that month's issues even if you're at a part of the order where there's a jump back in time in terms of publication date.

I'd be ok with including them at certain points as Fragsel has done, but I don't really see how that's different from making them a part of the order. Seems like more work than is necessary for a bunch of issues that we're all agreed most people don't want to read.

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 11:16 pm 
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tstarnes wrote:
You don't think that if someone sees the same comic on different books (published at the same time but in different parts of the order) they will get confused?

I'm not a web designer by any means--I'll leave that to the pros! Would this work? Make the date of publication for titles in The Order (the one in the box with the other info to right of the cover) a link to a page with all the titles published for that particular month that are not in The Order with check off boxes for having been read.
For example all the books in The Order from say 1/66 would link to a "January 1966" page with Sgt. Fury, Two Gun Kid (or whatever), etc... That way, you can click to a page to see what else "would have been at the drug store" for a particular month, and this wouldn't muck up the pure spirit of The Order. You could have ratings there also, to help indicate which of these books are more worth reading than others. I don't think these books should earn ranking points, though. And if it is possible, this seems like a lot of extra work for our fearless leader. :o

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PostPosted: April 9th, 2012, 11:38 pm 
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Actually I love Redsvetz' suggestion. 100% behind that.

Edit: not that it's obscure information, but I can help compile a list of books by publication month if that would help.

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