Both me and my GF thinks that song of ice and fire is the best thing that has happend to fantasy in a long time! Before i read this tread, i have never heard a person talk down about martin or this series (but then again i hang around almost only nerds and geeks ;-) )

Hey, I am both a nerd and a geek. I mean, I am doing this site, right .

I guess its just not my cup of tea. I also don't like Jordan's books. But there is a bunch of other fantasy that I love.

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Man I was reaching for my gun, "are you saying I'm not nerd/geek enough?"

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This was the world that I had created. I know what I have to do to fix it...to make things right. There's no problem that can't be solved.

Although, guys that read RR Martin do usually have gfs. Hmm.

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This was the world that I had created. I know what I have to do to fix it...to make things right. There's no problem that can't be solved.

I read some RR Martin edited shared world superhero novels. Anyone familiar with Wildcards? Pretty good stuff.

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This was the world that I had created. I know what I have to do to fix it...to make things right. There's no problem that can't be solved.

I wasn't questioning his ability overall. Its mostly his fantasy stuff. He tends to get to convoluted.

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Almost done with A Game of Thrones, liking it so far. TV series is better, since it avoids the perspective trap the books have.

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I've read the first book and then about 100 pages of the second one. In my opinion not a great writer. His vocabulary seems limited and he made me hate the word 'shrugged' (every damn character in his book shrugs about 10 times per chapter...). The episodic structur also bored me a lot. When you read 5 chapters, it's like to read in in 5 different books. Therefore I couldn't read more than about 100 pages in one single session. I'll wait for HBO bringing me the whole story.

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That is what amazes me so much. How did he become such a big deal being such a bad writer?

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He's not a bad writer, that's how he did it. I've been quiet on this for a while but I'm going to throw my hat in the ring. I get that his style might not be for everyone and a A Song of Ice and Fire has has an unusual format, but to call it bad writing is way off point, IMO. Having read all the books in the series, I'm thoroughly impressed with how authentically he is able to give voice to anyone from a dirty old man to the most innocent little girl. He deliberately set out to write a fantasy novel about the kind of things that get left out of fantasy novels. That's why you will hear about a battle second hand from a character that wasn't even there and then have 10 pages of people discussing strategy and intrigue. I'm at a point now where many of the plot threads are starting to weave back together and some of the twists and turns have been truly brilliant. If that's not for you, that's perfectly okay, but speaking both objectively and subjectively, he's a good writer.

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