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 Post subject: List of Speculated Canon Tales [WIP]
PostPosted: April 20th, 2016, 1:03 pm 
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Hello all!

After a brief discussion over on the Hyborian Order thread, here is the WIP list of Speculated canon stories.

CONAN [PROSE] (Robert E Howard) Character is Confirmed to be -616
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian
Bibliography: http://www.conan.com/bibliography.shtml

CTHULHU MYTHOS (HP Lovecraft & Others) Countless References
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos
Bibliography: http://cthulhufiles.com/cthabib.htm
(I am assuming only the content written by the original writers is canon)
Includes Conan, Kull, the Hyperborean Cycle, and others, but they are listed separately as well to avoid confusion

FAFHRD AND THE GREY MOUSER (Fritz Leiber) Characters appear in Conan the Barbarian #6
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafhrd_an ... ray_Mouser

FU MANCHU (Sax Rohmer) Character appears in Master of Kung Fu Series
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_Manchu

HYPERBOREAN CYCLE (Clark Ashton Smith) Item Appears in Doctor Strange v3 #8
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborean_cycle

KULL [PROSE] (Robert E Howard) Character is Confirmed to be -616
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kull_of_Atlantis

POSEIDONIS (Clark Ashton Smith) Reference in Conan the Adventurer #13-14
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidonis

RED SONJA [PROSE] (David C Smith & Richard L Tierney) Character is Confirmed to be -616
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sonja

SOLOMON KANE [PROSE] (Robert E Howard) Character is Confirmed to be -616
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Kane

THONGOR (Lin Carter) Character Appears in Creatures on the Loose #22-29
Wiki + Bibliography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Carte ... f_Valkarth

A lot of this is gathered from references in Conan comics. If you know of a reference in a canon issue that points towards certain prose stories (or even comics from other publishers) being canon, then please go ahead and enlighten us all.

Thanks all!
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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
PostPosted: April 20th, 2016, 3:07 pm 
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Does anyone know if the Dark Horse Conan stuff is 616? Or is it considered to be a different continuity? Or is it ambiguous?

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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I honestly don't know. It may depend on whether or not Dynamite's Red Sonja stories are considered 616. There was a Spider-Man/Red Sonja intercompany crossover, and that's been confirmed to be 616. However, it's never said whether the Red Sonja appears is the same character that appears in Dynamite's other stories. Dynamite's Red Sonja recently had an intercompany crossover with Dark Horse's Conan, so if that RS is the 616 character, then Dark Horse's Conan is probably also 616. But unfortunately I don't know of any official clarification of this.

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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From what I've read, the Dark Horse Conan, it's told as the legends found by a researcher, so it could be that they are Canon, but the stories are distorted.

As for Spider-Man/Red Sonja, that is Canon, and crosses over with Dynamite's Red Sonja. Then there's the recent Conan/Red Sonja mini between Dynamite and Dark Horse, which could be a 'true' Conan tale, of just another legend.

It's probably (definitely) best to assume the Dark Horse comics are just legends, as the Dark Horse series follow a TOTALLY different chronology to Marvel.

On my calendar, I'd probably include them in the 'present', where the tales are being told from, and regard anything else as pure fiction/distorted truth. Red Sonja I'd probably take as truth, but if have to read more. If needed, we can say that the Red Sonja shown is actually the Marvel version.

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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Is there somewhere Marvel confirms that the Dark Horse stuff is the same conan from the Marvel Conan? Because that's the real decider if something is 616.

I think on red sonja, the point was, we know that the Spider-Man in that was the 616 spider-man, because Marvel has confirmed it. Do we have official confirmation that its not a different universe version of Red Sonja, or is it the Dynimite version of Red Sonja.

This is the big thing that people overlook. Just because a character appears in a book, you need to know that it is, in fact, the same character. There are to many "alt. versions" of characters out there. And for it to be official, it has to be considered official by the creator or publisher.

Just because you see red sonja doesn't mean it's the same red sonja.

The dark horse stuff could also be a different conan than everyone elses. Do we have confirmation that they are the same person/version?

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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We don't have any such confirmation. As far as I know, Marvel has never officially addressed the question of whether or not Dark Horse's Conan or Dynamite's Red Sonja are the same as the Marvel published versions. Marvel has also never said whether or not the Red Sonja in the Spider-Man crossover is the 616 Red Sonja or an alternate.

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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So, how can an order be put together including it. I mean, I guess it can, but then it starts off from a place of making assumptions. Which leads to wikia. And the dark side.

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tstarnes wrote:
So, how can an order be put together including it. I mean, I guess it can, but then it starts off from a place of making assumptions. Which leads to wikia. And the dark side.

As I said, the DH Conan is told as though the stories are 'legends'. No one knows if they are even true. So you can say that the 'present' sections (I think maybe TPB only), are the only 'real' sections.

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 Post subject: Re: List of Implied Canon Tales [WIP]
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Well, this is a list of implied canon, which isn't the same thing as calling it canon. So, maybe a subset of implied canon can be the "I have no Earthly idea of this is canon or not, but it could be".

Of course, if Marvel ever gets Conan back, I'm sure they'll just say none of it is canon.

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tearsofrage wrote:
Well, this is a list of implied canon, which isn't the same thing as calling it canon. So, maybe a subset of implied canon can be the "I have no Earthly idea of this is canon or not, but it could be".

Of course, if Marvel ever gets Conan back, I'm sure they'll just say none of it is canon.

If they get Conan back, even the original Conan comics will be non-Canon!

I've been looking beyond my limited knowledge of the Cthulu Mythos at exactly what I should include. Just the original stories by Lovecraft and co, or some of the modern tales as well? It's already getting really confusing.

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