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1341: Sub-Mariner #44 (v1)

" Namor Betrayed "
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Sub-Mariner #44 (v1)
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Editor-in-Chief: Stan Lee
Cover Artists: Gil Kane
Writers: Gerry Conway
Pencilers: Marie Severin
Inkers: Jim Mooney
Editors: Stan Lee
Cover Date: December 1971
Release Date: September 1971
Story Arc: -
Pages: 20
Cover Price: $0.20
Times Read: 264                 Times Rated: 181
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Universes:   Earth-616  
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Marvel Feature #1a (v1)
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Sub-Mariner #44 (v1)
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Sub-Mariner #46 (v1)
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Issue Blurb
Namor continues to seek his father, but is discovered by a police officer and brought into conflict against the Human Torch. Behind the scenes, Llyra and Tiger Shark attempt to bring out a fiend from the depths to draw Namor to them.
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Character Appearances
Main Characters
  The Sub-Mariner
The Sub-Mariner last appeared in Marvel Feature #2 (v1). The Sub-Mariner next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
Supporting Characters
  The Human Torch
The Human Torch last appeared in Fantastic Four #116 (v1). The Human Torch next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
  Walter Newell
Walter Newell last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Walter Newell next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
  Leonard McKenzie
Leonard McKenzie last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Leonard McKenzie next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
  Diane Arliss
Diane Arliss last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Diane Arliss next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
Sara last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Sara next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
  Officer McGraw
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Officer McGraw in the mainstream continuity.
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Charlie in the mainstream continuity. This is flashback appearance. Dies in this issue.
  Tiger Shark
Tiger Shark last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Tiger Shark next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
Llyra last appeared in Sub-Mariner #43 (v1). Llyra next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Lymondo in the mainstream continuity. Lymondo next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
First Appearance
This is the first appearance by Krago in the mainstream continuity.
Group Appearances
Boston Police Department
This is the first appearance by Boston Police Department in the mainstream continuity. Boston Police Department next appears in Sub-Mariner #45 (v1).
The Fantastic Four (Roster I)
The Fantastic Four last appeared in Fantastic Four #116 (v1). The Fantastic Four next appears in Fantastic Four #117 (v1).
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Issue Review
   November 21, 2016
Namor - Namor is an interesting guy, and this issue does a nice joy of showcasing what makes him different from other Marvel heroes.
Human Torch - Rather than being just another dumb hero vs hero fight, this one makes sense. AND Johnny actually extends the hand of friendship first... before Namor gets aggressive. Namorís personality is such that he is prone to hero vs hero fights :)
Villains - The villains have a fairly loopy plan involving a giant fish-monster. Right.

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  Calthor Says:    
  2012-08-24 07:27:18  
  While this whole run of the persecuted, mourning, bitter Namor, torn between homes should not last forever without some form of resolve, I am enjoying his character quite a lot now. It added a much-needed sense of tragedy and powerlessness (you can only save Atlantis so many times, before you turn into the guy who is always there to save the moment).  

  Wady Says:    
  2012-10-26 17:53:19  
  Johny Storm was not much of a character in this issue didn;t help nor did fight was mostlyh in the way  

  skalchemist Says:    
  2013-10-06 19:05:01  
  Hey Johnny, I'm not sure what they would call it in NYC, but if you burn some guy's beard off in Boston, I'm pretty sure they call it assault and battery.  

  leisch Says:    
  2014-02-03 12:07:51  
  Recalls the Torch/Sub-Mariner battles of the 40s.  

  TheAmazingGatorMan Says:    
  2015-01-23 11:42:45  
  They finally get back to the story of his dad. Good overall plot and story.  

  specialque Says:    
  2015-02-02 07:43:35  
  Johnny doing that lame fire shaving trick to that hippy really hammers home what ana**he is.  

  duncanm Says:    
  2015-02-15 01:04:43  
  I understand that Namor is actually trying to do the peaceful good-guy thing now, but after you attack and invade a few times, you can't be surprised that people aren't happy and trusting when they see you.
I love that Namor's apparently been looking for his pops for weeks with no luck, and Stingray just walks over to the guy's house.
I actually found Torch to be less of a jerk in this than he has been in the FF mag, but still a big jerk.

  Vancelot Says:    
  2015-10-14 18:27:43  
  I'm totally distracted from a pretty good story by the fact that all cops in the Marvel universe are complete a**holes. Ugh  

  Locust75 Says:    
  2016-02-26 18:13:16  
  2 stars for Johnny ruining Krago's big day!!!

Credit Due - Man, there are a lot coloring mistakes in this issue!!

Foghorn - Arrr...I remember when Cap'n Leonard Mackenzie used to spell his last name as McKenzie!!

Spoiled - I take it, Charlie and his friend were born into money and inbreeding....

Straight Laced - I'm with Johnny on hating those damn dirty hippies!!

Lymondo - Since when did Tiger Shark get a lackey??

Seaweed - I think I know which special herb Namor used on Krago in the past...

3rd Degree - Uh, Johnny when you flew off with Diane. You forgot to flame off your arm that is holding her!!!

'Nuff Said - "You call this a well-structured plan?"-Tiger Shark

  MattzLadd Says:    
  2016-03-02 09:10:30  
  It's cool that the Torch and Namor didn't fight just for the sake of fighting, and actually worked together - though Todd and Llyra's plan was ridiculous! Two water-based villains who have enough power to challenge Namor directly, instead summon a huge fish that is easily defeated and fly about in a fragile airship when they could have just stayed in the water!  

  rubixcube60 Says:    
  2016-06-13 09:21:48  
  You'd think that at some point in the last 30 years McKenzie would have puzzled out that the half-Atlantean/half-human prince running around just *might* be connected to the Atlantean princess he married.  

  Katryn Says:    
  2017-01-26 05:42:52  
  Why do a sea dwelling race have an airship? It's not like Lemuria has been making much contact with the surface world, so why build an airship? That'd be like Red Raven's people making a submarine.  

  Russ Says:    
  2017-02-24 18:22:07  
  Kudos to Gerry Conway for advancing this important sub-plot involving Capt. McKenzie. It took a few months of oddball story arcs and Namor wallowing in the misery caused by decisions he made, but we're on the right track.

Also liked Johnny Storm guest starring. At least he's attempting to do something for himself since Crystal left, instead of whining and acting like a jerkwad. Their battle with each other, and subsequent team-up, was indeed reminiscent of the 40's Torch/Namor stories.

Not really liking the Tiger Shark/Llyra team-up so far. I'm with the others who wondered about that airship they're using when they're both mainly water-borne now. Now that's just silly of them!

3 stars. Hey, how many cans of tuna do you think Krago would fill?

  benmason486 Says:    
  2017-11-29 11:39:40  
  I question Namor's ability to objectively reflect on himself and his past actions. Of course, he's not going to get a warm reception on land. How often has he attacked the "cursed surface-dwellers," and how much damage has he caused to NYC over the decades? You don't get to just declare: "I'm now a member of the human race; you must accept me and love me." We humans are stupid, but not stupid enough to believe that.  

  bill_the_cat Says:    
  2018-07-17 09:15:46  
  This was a huge improvement over the last few issues. Did Conway take writing lessons in the last month?  

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Marvel Masterworks: Sub-Mariner, Volume 6
This collection includes Sub-Mariner #39 (v1), Sub-Mariner #40 (v1), Sub-Mariner #41 (v1), Sub-Mariner #42 (v1), Sub-Mariner #43 (v1), Sub-Mariner #44 (v1), Sub-Mariner #45 (v1), Sub-Mariner #46 (v1), Sub-Mariner #47 (v1), Sub-Mariner #48 (v1), Sub-Mariner #49 (v1), Daredevil #77 (v1)
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   July 9, 2018 Neskit Changed comic details.
   May 6, 2018 glyph65
   February 6, 2018 TStarnes
   November 24, 2017 fragsel Added Charlie to the issue.
   November 24, 2017 fragsel Added Officer McGraw to the issue.
   November 24, 2017 fragsel Added Krago to the issue.
   November 17, 2017 fragsel Added Sara to the issue.
   March 19, 2016 fragsel Updated the listing for Walter Newell.
   March 2, 2016 MattzLadd Added Lymondo to the issue.
   March 2, 2016 MattzLadd Deleted listing of Gerard Lymondo.
   March 2, 2016 MattzLadd Added Lymondo to the issue.
   March 2, 2016 MattzLadd Updated the listing for Llyra.
   March 2, 2016 MattzLadd Updated the listing for Walter Newell.
   December 5, 2015 fragsel Added Boston Police Department to the issue.
   August 20, 2014 Robareid Changed comic details.
   August 20, 2014 Robareid Updated the listing for The Fantastic Four.
   March 16, 2014 Raistlin903 Updated the listing for The Fantastic Four.
   February 21, 2014 Drax Updated the listing for The Human Torch.
   May 1, 2013 jfpj1991 Added blurb for this issue.
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